I gain nothing new listening to them

i could say the same for conservatives

I don't learn anything

Well I'm not a conservative

never said you were

Sure

lol

anyways tho, i just think echo chambers and circle jerks are retarded and dont offer anything productive

I get what you mean, but conservatives and mainstream leftists hardly ever have original arguments that explain in depth why something should be as they promote

you can learn anything talking to people who agree with you all the time

cant*

They provide a platform for organisation and collectivisation of an ingroup, that's useful.

Also that's wrong

I've learnt a lot from people who I generally agree with most of the time

i mean the usefulness is debatable

obv nothing wrong with having a community

but to never branch out and talk to different people?

not really for me i gues

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What is more productive, being in a group of like-minded people steelmanning your own arguments by collecting data and giving each other advice, or exposing yourself to the same beta male arguments over and over with nothing new?

Once you've already explored all the different political points of view and worked out what would happen if they were taken to completion, there is no point in spending your time debating those idiots.

Exactly pgrabber lol

the thing is you can steelman your own arguments by testing them against people who disagree with you

this goes back to what i said earlier

If you only focus on avoiding an echo chamber, you'll hear "The freer the market, the freer the people!" 100x when discussing economics **or** you can just study economics with like-minded friends.

if you talk to someone who disagrees with you

and they prove a pov you have to be weak or invalid and u cant back it up

you can then look at what they attacked and strengthen that part of your argument

The people who disagree with me are generally extremely unintelligent and I gain nothing from them. I gain nothing from reading the same argument over and over.

People who I agree with most of the time don't make retarded arguments, that's why I continue to talk to them

Yeah but I've already done that for months Black

Trust me, I've spent hundreds of hours debating a series of topics and I do not grow when adding to that body count.

Probably watched like 100 hours of debates by now

im sure every person on earth believes that same thing pgrabber lol

everybody things they’re right and if you disagree you’re wrong or dumb

Yep, the difference is that I've changed my worldview multiple times, each time going closer to the truth

Most people cling onto the first ideology that comes their way and stick with it

and how did you change your worldview?

That's why college is the ideal place to brainwash people

by talking to people?

The majority of people are stupid and most experts are either mindless sheep or smart but unable to express themselves fully.