Message from @Jeremy

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2019-09-14 14:22:18 UTC  

ah...

2019-09-14 14:22:20 UTC  

especially if the uk leaves

2019-09-14 14:22:28 UTC  

its gonna be pretty easy

2019-09-14 14:22:49 UTC  

cause they currently veto a lot of unification stuff

2019-09-14 14:23:02 UTC  

Thus, platforms are variant and non-standardized, but I also agree with arguments against an EU at the same time.

2019-09-14 14:23:45 UTC  

Yeah, but the UK would be able to influence the EU into a positive direction, if they remained. Many of the worries could be abated.

2019-09-14 14:24:05 UTC  

They'd be of less concern, at least.

2019-09-14 14:26:03 UTC  

But, you're right. A USE is practically a guarantee at this point, given something around 70% of all citizens throughout the region nationally identify as Europeans, rather than of their host or country of origin.

2019-09-14 14:26:41 UTC  

>militia and armed forces being necessary to the right of self determination, federal government and judiciary shall place no limitations or impositions on the right of states to raise, equip and maintain army or militia, except in case of international weapons non-proliferation treaties - and in such cases, the limitation on the states shall not be any higher than limitation placed upon the forces subordinate to federal organs

2019-09-14 14:28:21 UTC  

That's practically the structure of the US as it were.

2019-09-14 14:28:31 UTC  

On paper, at least.

2019-09-14 14:28:33 UTC  

😂

2019-09-14 14:28:34 UTC  

It will probably be very hard to convince some states to agree to give more powers to the federal government without a limitation like this

2019-09-14 14:29:11 UTC  

Yeah. The problem is, 2A simply would not fly in EU states.

2019-09-14 14:29:43 UTC  

Which is why I came up with a european variant.

2019-09-14 14:34:59 UTC  

Keep the links, talk and posting to the politics of the channel please. Do not post off topic, that is what we have the Xenoi channels for. Thank you!

2019-09-14 14:35:02 UTC  

2019-09-14 14:36:55 UTC  

Yeah, I'm not too fond of a USE, without recognition to the rights of self-preservation, @leavethisbotnet. With a growth in the bureaucracy, under a more efficient governance and military, it'd be wise to recognize 2A.

2019-09-14 14:38:08 UTC  

What really highlighted this for me was the Catalonia situation. If they had a militia, they'd be independent by now.

2019-09-14 14:50:48 UTC  

The question is whether such is within their interests, but a proper representation of the militia is always the armed, common man, those subject to governance.

2019-09-14 14:51:17 UTC  

@leavethisbotnet, let's take Catalonia to <#622430651668234240>, as I have questions pertaining to Catalonia.

2019-09-14 14:54:58 UTC  

The Catalonia situation, as it relates to the dynamics between a state and a subordinate region absolutely on topic though.

2019-09-15 03:47:55 UTC  

Indeed, @leavethisbotnet. I merely had further questions diving off into the domestic politics of Catalonia, as I haven't followed the situation in over a year.

2019-09-15 07:40:52 UTC  

What happened to that EU army compilation video? I can't find it even with these keywords: `"european army" nick clegg farage miliband`

2019-09-15 10:29:39 UTC  

I dont even know how they're gonna do a EU military, Cooperation between NATO members is already difficult and they dont even have fully intergrated their militaries

2019-09-15 10:32:23 UTC  

I doubt we're gonna see a Unified EU command under the commission, the states would never allow that, they'll probaly create a separate military high command directly under their influence

2019-09-15 10:33:06 UTC  

With the help of lies, a government can start an immoral war, I think it's equally possible to create a new army this way

2019-09-15 10:34:01 UTC  

Not neccessarily super likely in the very near future due to the Iraq war disaster though, so it'll probably happen towards the end of our lifetime

2019-09-15 10:34:09 UTC  

It’s already done.

2019-09-15 10:35:24 UTC  

An ‘army’ is already made.

2019-09-15 10:37:14 UTC  

You people are talking about yesterdays news. As usual.

2019-09-15 10:39:02 UTC  

lel, tnx weez

2019-09-15 10:39:05 UTC  

intresting stuff

2019-09-15 10:40:34 UTC  

hmm so the structure is there, it would just have to grow🤔

2019-09-15 10:41:27 UTC  

From reading it, I wouldn't call it an EU army, but some are trying to make it one

2019-09-15 10:42:46 UTC  
2019-09-15 10:43:43 UTC  

55%? Is that a result of globalist propaganda?

2019-09-15 10:45:34 UTC  

Why are you spergs upset about an EU army?

2019-09-15 10:45:55 UTC  

Oh yeah right an EU army is such a great idea, lets have more centralized power instead of less