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when did scotland finally join? 18th century?
Really though, there's nothing of interest in Scotland, so it's not like it matters
Nearly 50% of all Chinese -> EU FDI is going straight into the UK.
Really, European federation wouldn't be such a bad thing, it just needs a good constitution
That's why you saw them acquire a firm that both produces and manages government and military communications infrastructure via a state-cartel, what? Last year?
Chances are, it's gonna happen either way, so we might as well try to put together something that will be somewhat tolerable.
I tend to agree, Leavethisbotnet, but that is for them to decide. France rejected it when last the ratification process was initiated after WWII.
Eu is gonna get federated real soon tbh
its either that or collapse
we started moving on an EU army already
The arguments for it are too strong, even when it comes to immigration. It's more efficient to secure the borders of Europe, than it is all the border around the region, plus the internals.
many states have common brigades nowdays
atleast in the west
Yeah, but it's still inefficient, because the training is variant, laws differ.
That's why their defense budget is nearly as high as the U.S. (if you add up the budgets of each country throughout the region), yet has what? 17% of the operational capacity of our army?
you cant compare the US army to an EU army that dont exist yet on all member states
tho
will see down the road tho
Right, I'm saying they don't have an EU army.
it wont take too long
especially if the uk leaves
its gonna be pretty easy
cause they currently veto a lot of unification stuff
Thus, platforms are variant and non-standardized, but I also agree with arguments against an EU at the same time.
Yeah, but the UK would be able to influence the EU into a positive direction, if they remained. Many of the worries could be abated.
They'd be of less concern, at least.
But, you're right. A USE is practically a guarantee at this point, given something around 70% of all citizens throughout the region nationally identify as Europeans, rather than of their host or country of origin.
>militia and armed forces being necessary to the right of self determination, federal government and judiciary shall place no limitations or impositions on the right of states to raise, equip and maintain army or militia, except in case of international weapons non-proliferation treaties - and in such cases, the limitation on the states shall not be any higher than limitation placed upon the forces subordinate to federal organs
That's practically the structure of the US as it were.
On paper, at least.
😂
It will probably be very hard to convince some states to agree to give more powers to the federal government without a limitation like this
Yeah. The problem is, 2A simply would not fly in EU states.
Which is why I came up with a european variant.
Keep the links, talk and posting to the politics of the channel please. Do not post off topic, that is what we have the Xenoi channels for. Thank you!
Yeah, I'm not too fond of a USE, without recognition to the rights of self-preservation, @leavethisbotnet. With a growth in the bureaucracy, under a more efficient governance and military, it'd be wise to recognize 2A.
What really highlighted this for me was the Catalonia situation. If they had a militia, they'd be independent by now.
The question is whether such is within their interests, but a proper representation of the militia is always the armed, common man, those subject to governance.
@leavethisbotnet, let's take Catalonia to <#622430651668234240>, as I have questions pertaining to Catalonia.