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atleast in the west
Yeah, but it's still inefficient, because the training is variant, laws differ.
That's why their defense budget is nearly as high as the U.S. (if you add up the budgets of each country throughout the region), yet has what? 17% of the operational capacity of our army?
you cant compare the US army to an EU army that dont exist yet on all member states
tho
will see down the road tho
Right, I'm saying they don't have an EU army.
it wont take too long
ah...
especially if the uk leaves
its gonna be pretty easy
cause they currently veto a lot of unification stuff
Thus, platforms are variant and non-standardized, but I also agree with arguments against an EU at the same time.
Yeah, but the UK would be able to influence the EU into a positive direction, if they remained. Many of the worries could be abated.
They'd be of less concern, at least.
But, you're right. A USE is practically a guarantee at this point, given something around 70% of all citizens throughout the region nationally identify as Europeans, rather than of their host or country of origin.
>militia and armed forces being necessary to the right of self determination, federal government and judiciary shall place no limitations or impositions on the right of states to raise, equip and maintain army or militia, except in case of international weapons non-proliferation treaties - and in such cases, the limitation on the states shall not be any higher than limitation placed upon the forces subordinate to federal organs
That's practically the structure of the US as it were.
On paper, at least.
😂
It will probably be very hard to convince some states to agree to give more powers to the federal government without a limitation like this
Yeah. The problem is, 2A simply would not fly in EU states.
Which is why I came up with a european variant.
Keep the links, talk and posting to the politics of the channel please. Do not post off topic, that is what we have the Xenoi channels for. Thank you!
Yeah, I'm not too fond of a USE, without recognition to the rights of self-preservation, @leavethisbotnet. With a growth in the bureaucracy, under a more efficient governance and military, it'd be wise to recognize 2A.
What really highlighted this for me was the Catalonia situation. If they had a militia, they'd be independent by now.
The question is whether such is within their interests, but a proper representation of the militia is always the armed, common man, those subject to governance.
@leavethisbotnet, let's take Catalonia to <#622430651668234240>, as I have questions pertaining to Catalonia.
The Catalonia situation, as it relates to the dynamics between a state and a subordinate region absolutely on topic though.
Indeed, @leavethisbotnet. I merely had further questions diving off into the domestic politics of Catalonia, as I haven't followed the situation in over a year.
What happened to that EU army compilation video? I can't find it even with these keywords: `"european army" nick clegg farage miliband`
I dont even know how they're gonna do a EU military, Cooperation between NATO members is already difficult and they dont even have fully intergrated their militaries
I doubt we're gonna see a Unified EU command under the commission, the states would never allow that, they'll probaly create a separate military high command directly under their influence
With the help of lies, a government can start an immoral war, I think it's equally possible to create a new army this way
Not neccessarily super likely in the very near future due to the Iraq war disaster though, so it'll probably happen towards the end of our lifetime
It’s already done.
An ‘army’ is already made.
You people are talking about yesterdays news. As usual.