And I mean material freedom too, not just freedom of choice

Well, I'm more a libertarian because I believe it's the more pragmatic approach. I don't care about maintaining anyone's liberty if it means that it would make society more effective. For example, I could see myself being a supporter of criminals who've committed certain crimes being worked to death in camps instead of being put on the death penalty.

Just a note, I don't currently support putting criminals in interment camps, I just could see myself being convinced to that

Well yes that would seem the most logical approach when social reinsertion is impossible

Executions cost money while labour camps produce energy and wealth

Yeah, but it would have to be undeniable that they committed the crime. I would rather have 20 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man work a camp to death

Idk about working to death

But a more lenient labour camp to give them a form of life

And maybe help them socially in view of a potential future reinsertion

There should be degrees of the camps. Like I have no mercy for child rapist, terrorist, and psychotic serial killers. But

Working with other people can help

Honestly, this doesn't sound like a bad idea

Now that I think about it

As long as they are made sure to pose no threat to other members

I wonder how an autoregulated labour camp (by prisoners) would work out

There should be "normal" camps and "death" camps. And i'd also support lengthy psychological help using tax payers money (because I'm not libertarian on everything)

autoregulated?

While they are surrounded by surveillance

Prisoners can collectively organize camp life

So there are some ground rules, but everything else is run by the prisoners?

Like the obvious, no killing, stealing, etc..

Brb I have to wash the dishes because it's been a while

Lol, alright

Not even that

I'm thinking of this as an experiment to see whether even criminals can be inserted in a voluntary/anarchist society

So I imagine sth like an escapable ghetto

The prisoners agree on everything inside

Now let's see if it devolves into a military dictatorship or dystopian egoistic anarchy

Oh, well I've never undertsood anarchism. From my understanding we are just supposed to rely on our neighbors to not do certain things like steal or what not, and if they do any unacceptable things than the group is going to punish that individual for doing something wrong.

But I don't like that idea as it means that if I'm in the wrong group, then there may be a criminal syndicate that extorts me and my neighbors for supplies/money/etc..

I'm not an anarchist and I can see the easy failures of such a system too

But this experiment can serve even a collectivist society under a State

Hm, I honestly believe we as a society are too pussy sometimes.
I don't like how "muh morals" will stop us from doing certain "inhumane" experiments that will benefit the society as a whole

@Deleted User the only thing I was able to find remotely close to what you said on the banks, was from pol and was a series of books that tried to claim even Hitlol got funded by them. However even their claim was shaky and on the source said the goal was to hope Russia would collapse from it. @National Trotskyist was the one who linked me that initially.

>As for the "i cant find anything on it" Lol, So lets say this group literally owns ever media you use for information?

This still just goes around in circles, where its highly convenient that you and only you seem to know the truth about this topic you brought up. Like I said nothing comes up and if it does come up its in a contest to see how many buzzwords it fit into the title, mostly with the word Mason tacked on.

deus ex

Basically

God of rape

agios o tavern

https://discord.gg/dfnSMJv

@DOLBATIC It isnt a fallacy, it is true that the search directory is controlled by the same fainacial intrest

why would they not withhold and purge this kind of information when they purge so much other things not even related to them

And it isnt t a fallacy as you could actaully do indipendent reasearch, but ou only use the mainstream information source so ,,,,