I do not think the ACC will ever be repealed

Stop talking and start reading.

I mean look at the NHS in England. The Labor Government did that, now Labour is fucked and the NHS is constantly having crises because of the Tories who have been in power for a long ass time now.

No politician would be able to do it without costing his or her political influence

and they need to be wary about elections every few years

In the US, the Electoral College already gives an advantage to the Republicans, and even if a Democrat were to win most of them are neoliberals and trying to get any, even small policy changes that are progressive will be a nightmare.

Even if bernie had won a lot of his policies would've been sabotaged by his own damn party.

yet even the Tories cannot remove the basics of the NHS

This is all irrelevant because none of it is pertinent to workers getting the full value of their labor anyway 😜

no matter what they try

@Sorghagtani Beki There's already been subtle privatization

They're able to defund certain parts of it and generate crises to convince the public that there has to be more spending cuts to compensate.

You mean how Trump changes policy every week. The people tolerate anything.

People are actually very critical of him

minus his supporters

For God's sake Sub we have a president who won the election with millions of less votes than his opponent.

they keep backing him for some reason

I think it's stubbornness

If Hillary had won we'd still have plenty of the problems we're having with Trump.

So you just contradicted yourself.

She wanted to overthrow Assad

She doesnt give a shit about single-payer

Trump is the least liked president in US history

she doesn't want free uni education

hillary is a neoliberal

what do you expect

@Sorghagtani Beki Hillary's approval ratings weren't far behind

Well your plan of voting doesn't work

voting got us hillary

which evidently got us trump

Sanders was very close to the nominee

and he would have beaten Trump

And even if he had won it would do nothing.

His own party is filled to the brim with bribed corporatists who would torpedo him and his policies.

Yes, he would have beaten Trump, but getting anything through Congress would have been nearly impossible.

New Deal Democracy worked because the people forced the hands of politicians

The Democrats even now attack Bernie and he hasn't even done anything wrong, they just have to smear him and attack him at every opportunity they get.

in America right now, we have concerning levels of apathy

But i'm optimistic that it will change in the future

especially with more left wing friendly adults

People have apathy because most people realize they don't have any power in the system