And the aristocrats turn a profit in trade of excess

this is what i mean by "accept ignorance and read more"... if you learn economics you get lessons on externality, such as when two firms have competing interests the market will incur a dead weight loss without regulation

health care when left to a free market falls into a 'death spiral'

There is no international trade or debt.

these two parallel conversations are stressing me out

also i have work in the morning

i should go to bed

There was in the USSR (no debt though)

Well at or out the USSR

Or in

They traded quite a lot

@Deleted User You mean give aid. There is no debt. How do you trade without tracking debts?

You make deals when your counterpart has the means to pay in full only

interest?

loans?

No need for such things

Debt is very useful as a leverage and bargaining tool in the right hands

i guess

what about starting firms

i feel like that's at least difficult without community banks/ loans unless you go crowdfunding or something

I can understand that, starting a sucessful business is hard enough even with a decent amount of investment capital

@not_matt in USSR under Stalin you could take loans for firms.

yeah thats my point

i cant tell when people are disagreeing with me tbh

were you backing me up there

whenever i get @'d i feel attacked initially

Also Stalin promoted loans to peasantry as a method to control peasantry.

Openly

Oy vey

@Deleted User He had to convenience many Marxist that loaning is a good strategy to get more control.

I mean, it is. At least, with the way societies tend to work

Loaning is inherently capitalistic

The loaner always seeks high returns

Charity on the other hand wouldn't

@Deleted User the USSR government didn't need money from peasantry. Only high degree of control.

High returns

Uncle Joe wouldn't charge interest.

I feel like I should be transparent here. I'm mostly here to see alternate viewpoints. I myself would say that I'm a capitalist. But I also think that it is extremely important to understand alternate views to your own. I'm not gonna try to force my opinions on anyone, though would be up to just talk about my views with anyone interested to gain mutual understanding.

I feel like a lot are in the same boat, or were. You are most welcome.

@Deleted User why /pol supported a candidate who's favorite daughter is into Judaism? It is beyond my understanding.

They say /pol/ is not person. No, it's a superorganism. The majority of pol are thoughtless robots. Nowadays full of reddit cancer.