Message from @Sorghagtani Beki

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2017-06-11 06:38:14 UTC  

whats wrong with bisexuality why is it immoral

2017-06-11 06:38:17 UTC  

Would you call that immoral?

2017-06-11 06:38:22 UTC  

Fucking youg boys was encouraged in Greek Pagan societies.

2017-06-11 06:38:37 UTC  

Those are all sins. They are immoral.

2017-06-11 06:38:42 UTC  

Immorality can manifest is lots of ways. But only when you are not righteous.

2017-06-11 06:38:47 UTC  

why are they immoral

2017-06-11 06:39:00 UTC  

A Christian immorality looks different than a pagan one.

2017-06-11 06:39:07 UTC  

Both go to Hell.

2017-06-11 06:39:28 UTC  

I have a question: can someone sent to hell be redemned while in hell?

2017-06-11 06:39:33 UTC  

No.

2017-06-11 06:39:37 UTC  

I say it would be better to not spread religion at all if chance of going to hell is the same for both. Let pagans enjoy hedonistic ways and still go to heaven at the same rate.

2017-06-11 06:39:39 UTC  

what makes something immoral tho

2017-06-11 06:40:13 UTC  

like what is immorality

2017-06-11 06:40:20 UTC  

Spreading religion lets the righteous get closer to God, and God wants this.

2017-06-11 06:41:02 UTC  

It takes away pleasure from those on the other end. Let them enjoy worldly pleasure yet still go to paradise.

2017-06-11 06:41:40 UTC  

They won't go to heaven.

2017-06-11 06:41:45 UTC  

Spreading the gospel makes resisting temptation harder for them. It seems as if it would be a burden.

2017-06-11 06:42:01 UTC  

If they do not go to heaven at the same rate, that is geographical favoritism.

2017-06-11 06:42:27 UTC  

A sin of a non-believer is just as bad as a sin of a believer, but a non-believer has some wriggling room. They can not be 100% hedonistic, murdering, and so on. And be accepted into heaven.

2017-06-11 06:42:28 UTC  

i think christianity might be immoral in the form of organized religion

2017-06-11 06:42:32 UTC  

Tengri, on the other hand, holds no favorites.

2017-06-11 06:42:39 UTC  

it harms other people i mean i think thats really the base of immorality

2017-06-11 06:42:56 UTC  

things that harm others are immoral

2017-06-11 06:43:16 UTC  

If I had to choose one god to worship at this point, Tengri seems both more appealing and powerful to me.

2017-06-11 06:43:55 UTC  

@Deleted User Your hedonism harms others.

2017-06-11 06:44:10 UTC  

my hedonism?

2017-06-11 06:44:13 UTC  

Should I stone you and ban your favorite pleasures?

2017-06-11 06:44:15 UTC  

Immorality results when we knowingly pursue something that is good in itself but bad for us in terms of what it means to be human.

2017-06-11 06:44:37 UTC  

explain to me what my hedonism is and how it harms others ironcross

2017-06-11 06:44:54 UTC  

Well, crossdressing as a spirtial and physical male.

2017-06-11 06:45:06 UTC  

Humans are naturally hedonistic just as our cousins, the Bonobos, are.

2017-06-11 06:45:21 UTC  

how does it harm people and how is it hedonistic

2017-06-11 06:45:24 UTC  

Moral evil results when a person intentionally does something or fails to do something that prevents herself or somebody else from realising their human potential, and it is caused by a defect of the will, that is, by a lack of understanding of the good.

2017-06-11 06:45:34 UTC  

Aquinas does not believe that we can rationally desire evil because we can only desire that which exists.

2017-06-11 06:46:31 UTC  

There is an assumption on what the human potential is here

2017-06-11 06:46:42 UTC  

That's one thing: a man is not to dress as a woman. And this can lead to children being very well confused, normal people disgusted and disgruntled. And it's hedonistic because you aren't doing it to solve a long life depression, like transsexuals, but for your own pleasure. Because you want to dress like that. Not to become more productive and moral overall.

2017-06-11 06:46:53 UTC  

The Christian human potential may not find itself in agreement with other cultures.

2017-06-11 06:46:55 UTC  

God is just and we cannot comprehend the extent of His justice. To say favouritism exists is a misunderstanding of God.

2017-06-11 06:47:39 UTC  

how does it effect my moral choices or productivity being a transsexual? why is it my fault people hold hate in their heart arent they immoral for needlesly hating ?

2017-06-11 06:47:54 UTC  

You believe on faith that your god is just. At the same time, I believe in faith that our Tengri uses all religions to lead to him.

2017-06-11 06:48:06 UTC  

Human beings have basic potentialities that are not acquired, not constructed, not imposed, but are inherent within them, basic potentialities that they have just by coming to be, that is, potentialities they have in virtue of what they are. And so human beings do have a nature. Human beings have the inherent potentialities to maintain their organic states, to grow, to reproduce, to perceive, to remember, to imagine, to have emotions, to understand, and to will. Not every human being can immediately exercise all of these potentialities, but every human being is oriented to actively developing himself or herself to the stage at which he or she will perform such actions.