Message from @Sorghagtani Beki

Discord ID: 323352628350418944


2017-06-11 06:42:28 UTC  

i think christianity might be immoral in the form of organized religion

2017-06-11 06:42:32 UTC  

Tengri, on the other hand, holds no favorites.

2017-06-11 06:42:39 UTC  

it harms other people i mean i think thats really the base of immorality

2017-06-11 06:42:56 UTC  

things that harm others are immoral

2017-06-11 06:43:16 UTC  

If I had to choose one god to worship at this point, Tengri seems both more appealing and powerful to me.

2017-06-11 06:43:55 UTC  

@Deleted User Your hedonism harms others.

2017-06-11 06:44:10 UTC  

my hedonism?

2017-06-11 06:44:13 UTC  

Should I stone you and ban your favorite pleasures?

2017-06-11 06:44:15 UTC  

Immorality results when we knowingly pursue something that is good in itself but bad for us in terms of what it means to be human.

2017-06-11 06:44:37 UTC  

explain to me what my hedonism is and how it harms others ironcross

2017-06-11 06:44:54 UTC  

Well, crossdressing as a spirtial and physical male.

2017-06-11 06:45:06 UTC  

Humans are naturally hedonistic just as our cousins, the Bonobos, are.

2017-06-11 06:45:21 UTC  

how does it harm people and how is it hedonistic

2017-06-11 06:45:24 UTC  

Moral evil results when a person intentionally does something or fails to do something that prevents herself or somebody else from realising their human potential, and it is caused by a defect of the will, that is, by a lack of understanding of the good.

2017-06-11 06:45:34 UTC  

Aquinas does not believe that we can rationally desire evil because we can only desire that which exists.

2017-06-11 06:46:31 UTC  

There is an assumption on what the human potential is here

2017-06-11 06:46:42 UTC  

That's one thing: a man is not to dress as a woman. And this can lead to children being very well confused, normal people disgusted and disgruntled. And it's hedonistic because you aren't doing it to solve a long life depression, like transsexuals, but for your own pleasure. Because you want to dress like that. Not to become more productive and moral overall.

2017-06-11 06:46:53 UTC  

The Christian human potential may not find itself in agreement with other cultures.

2017-06-11 06:46:55 UTC  

God is just and we cannot comprehend the extent of His justice. To say favouritism exists is a misunderstanding of God.

2017-06-11 06:47:39 UTC  

how does it effect my moral choices or productivity being a transsexual? why is it my fault people hold hate in their heart arent they immoral for needlesly hating ?

2017-06-11 06:47:54 UTC  

You believe on faith that your god is just. At the same time, I believe in faith that our Tengri uses all religions to lead to him.

2017-06-11 06:48:06 UTC  

Human beings have basic potentialities that are not acquired, not constructed, not imposed, but are inherent within them, basic potentialities that they have just by coming to be, that is, potentialities they have in virtue of what they are. And so human beings do have a nature. Human beings have the inherent potentialities to maintain their organic states, to grow, to reproduce, to perceive, to remember, to imagine, to have emotions, to understand, and to will. Not every human being can immediately exercise all of these potentialities, but every human being is oriented to actively developing himself or herself to the stage at which he or she will perform such actions.

2017-06-11 06:48:13 UTC  

You *are* a transsexual? A *real suffer of gender dysphoria?*

2017-06-11 06:48:18 UTC  

yes

2017-06-11 06:49:17 UTC  

Then the cross dressing is not leveled at you, you were put into a test. To rise above life shattering depression. And your supposed homosexuality, that don't exactly apply. But your sexual deviancy is the issue.

2017-06-11 06:49:22 UTC  

Tengriists look to Tengri to open pathways to their own potential. There is no conflict.

2017-06-11 06:49:23 UTC  

Justice is a logical conclusion of God. Tengri superstition is not.

2017-06-11 06:49:46 UTC  

Fucking people out of marriage, doing it at all when you can not even have children.

2017-06-11 06:49:56 UTC  

Those are most definately sins.

2017-06-11 06:50:04 UTC  

fucking people out of marriage?

2017-06-11 06:50:11 UTC  

Outside.

2017-06-11 06:50:16 UTC  

hows t hat?

2017-06-11 06:50:26 UTC  

Tengriism is founded on the logic that God is powerful enough to have all cultures worship him without needing to enslave his children on that task.

2017-06-11 06:50:29 UTC  

oh i get you

2017-06-11 06:50:32 UTC  

Is that not how you have sexual relations?

2017-06-11 06:50:35 UTC  

Are you married?

2017-06-11 06:50:41 UTC  

i was taking it as like other use of fucking

2017-06-11 06:51:13 UTC  

i mean what am i suppose to do live my life as a celibate cause i cant have kids?

2017-06-11 06:51:23 UTC  

In short, yes.

2017-06-11 06:51:35 UTC  

But all cultures don't worship Tengri, only your superstition suggests they do.

2017-06-11 06:51:38 UTC  

Well... No, but you need to repent for those sins.