Message from @Sobe the Polish Panna

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2017-06-13 03:12:40 UTC  

One that comes to mind was in Portugal in 1917

2017-06-13 03:12:45 UTC  

Yes of course, fascism means "Authority" in Hebrew :^)

2017-06-13 03:13:09 UTC  

wait really

2017-06-13 03:13:16 UTC  

Not the resurrection. He means the success of the Apostles is starting the Church, it is seen as 'miraculous'.

2017-06-13 03:13:28 UTC  

From fishermen to wisemen etc.

2017-06-13 03:13:30 UTC  

Of course, which is why fascism is authoritarianism. The chosen language says so

2017-06-13 03:14:07 UTC  

@Deleted User That is an interesting take on it

2017-06-13 03:15:44 UTC  

At Portugal 1917 they were staring at the sun and were hoping for the miracle to occur

2017-06-13 03:15:55 UTC  

Staring at the sun is hard on the eyes

2017-06-13 03:15:57 UTC  

Well that wasn't the only thing that happened

2017-06-13 03:16:15 UTC  

Three girls saw apparitions?

2017-06-13 03:16:22 UTC  

Ghost sightings happen all the time

2017-06-13 03:16:41 UTC  

"Ghost" sightings

2017-06-13 03:17:13 UTC  

Basically, 3 children in Portugal saw on multiple occassions appartions of The Virgin Mary over a period of many months.

2017-06-13 03:17:27 UTC  

Did anyone else see them or just these three kids

2017-06-13 03:18:20 UTC  

It was just them

2017-06-13 03:18:32 UTC  

I am starting to see a chink in the armour. Miracles that are explanable by empirical means are no longer miracles. If physics, for example, observes that matter is self-generating on a quantum level, if zero-point energy is discovered for example, it would hurt Aquinas' argument based on motion and causality.

2017-06-13 03:18:39 UTC  

Heh.

2017-06-13 03:19:07 UTC  

But later there was the Miracle of The Sun which was observed and reported on by many accounts. Including the anti-religious porutgese press.

2017-06-13 03:19:18 UTC  

_Then the Fundies say god created the science to make the miracles or the Fundies deny it_

2017-06-13 03:19:36 UTC  

Staring at the sun hurts the eyes

2017-06-13 03:19:41 UTC  

And many claimed nothing happened

2017-06-13 03:19:51 UTC  

*Stares at sun*

2017-06-13 03:19:55 UTC  

Brb taking a test

2017-06-13 03:20:20 UTC  

>1910s Portugal

2017-06-13 03:20:22 UTC  

>Fundies

2017-06-13 03:20:24 UTC  

lmao

2017-06-13 03:20:37 UTC  

If Aquinas was discredits as having based his arguments on oversimplified observations, it would undermine the whole Church. Very hard to recover from.

2017-06-13 03:20:50 UTC  

Has he been discredited?

2017-06-13 03:21:01 UTC  

Not yet.

2017-06-13 03:21:22 UTC  

I am just trying to envision a scenario where he could be.

2017-06-13 03:21:59 UTC  

It would be very hard for anyone to recover from their ideas being disproven

2017-06-13 03:22:07 UTC  

But I can see what you mean

2017-06-13 03:22:22 UTC  

I am sure the Church would just move back to Augustinan thinking.

2017-06-13 03:22:43 UTC  

'God is too mysterious' .

2017-06-13 03:22:48 UTC  

Possibly

2017-06-13 03:23:03 UTC  

Although Augustine's theology is still essential to Aquinas'

2017-06-13 03:23:23 UTC  

Oh really?

2017-06-13 03:24:00 UTC  

Yes, the writings of Saint Augustine are very important to the founding theology of Christianity.

2017-06-13 03:24:10 UTC  

It was elaborated and expanded upon by later theologians.