Ghost sightings happen all the time

"Ghost" sightings

Basically, 3 children in Portugal saw on multiple occassions appartions of The Virgin Mary over a period of many months.

Did anyone else see them or just these three kids

It was just them

I am starting to see a chink in the armour. Miracles that are explanable by empirical means are no longer miracles. If physics, for example, observes that matter is self-generating on a quantum level, if zero-point energy is discovered for example, it would hurt Aquinas' argument based on motion and causality.

Heh.

But later there was the Miracle of The Sun which was observed and reported on by many accounts. Including the anti-religious porutgese press.

_Then the Fundies say god created the science to make the miracles or the Fundies deny it_

Staring at the sun hurts the eyes

And many claimed nothing happened

*Stares at sun*

Brb taking a test

>1910s Portugal

>Fundies

lmao

If Aquinas was discredits as having based his arguments on oversimplified observations, it would undermine the whole Church. Very hard to recover from.

Has he been discredited?

Not yet.

I am just trying to envision a scenario where he could be.

It would be very hard for anyone to recover from their ideas being disproven

But I can see what you mean

I am sure the Church would just move back to Augustinan thinking.

'God is too mysterious' .

Possibly

Although Augustine's theology is still essential to Aquinas'

Oh really?

Yes, the writings of Saint Augustine are very important to the founding theology of Christianity.

It was elaborated and expanded upon by later theologians.

Hmmm, so it would be very bad.

Of course the idea of logic still holds, only that the premise has been undermined.

Yes

Regardless though, it's still hypothetical.

That right. Newtonian physics supports it.

Newton believed in God of some sort too, I believe.

It's a little hard to determine whether or not Newton was a Christian because he also practiced the occult

why arent any of you pusses on voice chat

lets talk politics aye

The vulnerability is Aquinas' conclusions is highlighted by the empirical errors of Aristotle too, who, while have flawless logic, made incorrect conclusions about the universe because of his oversimplified observations.

yup

lets just admit that science demolished the influence of philosophy