_Then the Fundies say god created the science to make the miracles or the Fundies deny it_

Staring at the sun hurts the eyes

And many claimed nothing happened

*Stares at sun*

Brb taking a test

>1910s Portugal

>Fundies

lmao

If Aquinas was discredits as having based his arguments on oversimplified observations, it would undermine the whole Church. Very hard to recover from.

Has he been discredited?

Not yet.

I am just trying to envision a scenario where he could be.

It would be very hard for anyone to recover from their ideas being disproven

But I can see what you mean

I am sure the Church would just move back to Augustinan thinking.

'God is too mysterious' .

Possibly

Although Augustine's theology is still essential to Aquinas'

Oh really?

Yes, the writings of Saint Augustine are very important to the founding theology of Christianity.

It was elaborated and expanded upon by later theologians.

Hmmm, so it would be very bad.

Of course the idea of logic still holds, only that the premise has been undermined.

Yes

Regardless though, it's still hypothetical.

That right. Newtonian physics supports it.

Newton believed in God of some sort too, I believe.

It's a little hard to determine whether or not Newton was a Christian because he also practiced the occult

why arent any of you pusses on voice chat

lets talk politics aye

The vulnerability is Aquinas' conclusions is highlighted by the empirical errors of Aristotle too, who, while have flawless logic, made incorrect conclusions about the universe because of his oversimplified observations.

yup

lets just admit that science demolished the influence of philosophy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccpo1IwWwAA71R1.jpg

__**Aristotle's errors include:**__
```Men have more teeth than women.
Heavy objects fall faster than light objects.
Men's blood is hotter than women's blood.
There are people who are naturally born to be slaves, and it is just and right to enslave them.
The earth is the center of the universe.
The earth and everything in it existed for all eternity and will exist for all eternity.
Some animals spontaneously come into being from mud and earth; they don't reproduce.'''
The natural state for all objects is to be at rest; they require constant application of force to move.
There are a total of seven heavenly bodies, which are perfect and never change.
The heart is the organ of reason and intellect.
The function of the brain is to cool the blood.```

tbh I wouldnt blame him for those errors

take away all the scientific technology we have today and there is nothing to prove that the Earth isnt the center of the Universe

Exactly. So when Aquinas uses Aristotlean logic to prove the existence of God, what excludes him from similar errors?

I actually havent read Aristotle so i can't address those points

sorry about that