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Sure
But
What does that support
That doesn't mean everything is possible
You doubt something can change
I oppose it
Nope
You said that change exists
I agree
>I genuinely believe that it virtually can't go past authoritarianism
The specific system yeah
It always does. And in fact did
perhaps I should add "and work"
Perhaps
I wish there was an example of classless, stateless, moneyless etc sosciety
But it never goes there
there is if you look far enough back
I think all intellectuals, no matter where they are on the spectrum, the somehow trivialize reality, that it's far more complex and multivariable and dynamic
what marx calls primitive communism iirc
from before slave societies began
back then societies were simpler
less connected to the world
it isnt very useful, no
and isolated cases don't count, because I can get 10 ancaps, 10 ancoms and put them in their respective islands and because they'd be firm believers of their ideology, it would work for some time
the point is to work for all people, with different mindsets and endure over time
also your point about trivilizing reality; this has to happen in order to theorize it
I don't think marxist doctrine provides that
it has to happen, agreed, but why would you accept it?
because I want some way of thinking about reality
no, you misunderstood my point
You do that when the doubt is little, the cost is bearable
you don't go jumping from your balcony on little evidence you could fly
exaggerated example but I hope you understand
you're saying that it trivializes reality so much that it doesn't really apply to reality in any meaningful way?
taht most political theories aren't robust enough so you can BET entire nations and millions of lives because something sounds nice
political change should be very careful, at least now that we can afford it
we can be smart about it
theories aren't something to be tried, they merely attempt to describe reality. You can use these theories to create fx socialism, but marxism is not a set of affairs to be established
why be attached so strongly to a set of rules that was forged century ago
>theories aren't something to be tried, they merely attempt to describe reality.
I'm not against this