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from before slave societies began
but that's not useful though, because it has to sustain all external and internal interference
back then societies were simpler
less connected to the world
it isnt very useful, no
and isolated cases don't count, because I can get 10 ancaps, 10 ancoms and put them in their respective islands and because they'd be firm believers of their ideology, it would work for some time
the point is to work for all people, with different mindsets and endure over time
also your point about trivilizing reality; this has to happen in order to theorize it
I don't think marxist doctrine provides that
it has to happen, agreed, but why would you accept it?
because I want some way of thinking about reality
no, you misunderstood my point
You do that when the doubt is little, the cost is bearable
you don't go jumping from your balcony on little evidence you could fly
exaggerated example but I hope you understand
you're saying that it trivializes reality so much that it doesn't really apply to reality in any meaningful way?
taht most political theories aren't robust enough so you can BET entire nations and millions of lives because something sounds nice
political change should be very careful, at least now that we can afford it
we can be smart about it
theories aren't something to be tried, they merely attempt to describe reality. You can use these theories to create fx socialism, but marxism is not a set of affairs to be established
>theories aren't something to be tried, they merely attempt to describe reality.
I'm not against this
then it doesn't make sense to say you can bet nations and lives on a theory
My issue is that clearly marxist mindset isn't enough to describe reality and we have plenty of disciplines to supplement and change it but most people don't want to
sociology, psychology, complex economics, geopolitical dynamics etc
>then it doesn't make sense to say you can bet nations and lives on a theory
on weak theory
I thought I was clear on that
Obviously theory is all we have, everything is a theory, a model of reality
that's a givegn
we don't have the means to simulate all of universe
you are completely right that theories should be critizised, and that the best critizism often comes from other fields. In fact, I am ringht now reading a book by an anthropologist that heaviliy critizises adam smith
for how long have I been misspelling criticism
: o
When will you criticize marxism ;p
after I understand it
well
I think the "invisible hand that fixes everything" is as wishful as thinking that good will and communism will solve all problems
then it's a good thing that no-one said either
it's the part of the simple weak theories that try to trivialize reality I was trying to communicate
Just saying you implied that I said all theories are bad trivialization of reality.
The problem I think it's obvious, dogmatic ideological follwoing
We should use political systems as tools to ends not as ends themselves