Message from @Seedle

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2017-07-06 16:48:38 UTC  

I wonder how long it'll be before leftism because a part of political debate again

2017-07-06 16:49:02 UTC  

at least social democracy made a comeback with bernie sanders which I think is good but untimately won't do much

2017-07-06 16:50:42 UTC  

don't see it happening any time soon, the left seems to be losing everywhere in the west

2017-07-06 16:51:00 UTC  

But of course, I didn't think trump would be president 2 years ago, who knows

2017-07-06 16:51:19 UTC  

The Red Scare atrocity seems to still have effect on today's Western culture, sadly.

2017-07-06 16:51:41 UTC  

I think it's more than that

2017-07-06 16:52:16 UTC  

You can think what you want, but you're one of the people who is poisoned by the red scare.

2017-07-06 16:52:48 UTC  

The way you talk you'll never convince anyone to turn communist

2017-07-06 16:53:31 UTC  

You'd turn stalin into an ancap

2017-07-06 16:54:06 UTC  

Hopeless

2017-07-06 17:01:59 UTC  

Timo

2017-07-06 17:02:15 UTC  

And what happens when the Netherlands goes into recession?

2017-07-06 17:02:24 UTC  

When all those social democratic policies can't be afforded anymore?

2017-07-06 17:02:35 UTC  

When the businessmen bleed money?

2017-07-06 17:03:01 UTC  

Your perfect little paradise won't exist anymore.

2017-07-06 17:03:09 UTC  

That's what is happening in Scandinavia.

2017-07-06 17:03:14 UTC  

It's an international problem.

2017-07-06 17:03:48 UTC  

If a serious economic collapse happen anything can happen

2017-07-06 17:04:13 UTC  

Fascism, communism, libertarian small government, all on the table

2017-07-06 17:04:15 UTC  

It's very visible what happens.

2017-07-06 17:04:24 UTC  

Especially in modern times.

2017-07-06 17:04:25 UTC  

I don't care for the current system either

2017-07-06 17:04:32 UTC  

the EU is a cancer

2017-07-06 17:04:40 UTC  

Then why the hell are you arguing against Socialism?

2017-07-06 17:04:46 UTC  

Real socialists are anti-EU

2017-07-06 17:04:58 UTC  

I know, one of the few good things about them

2017-07-06 17:05:12 UTC  

Socialists aren't my top enemy, but they're up there

2017-07-06 17:05:18 UTC  

The only way for actual efficiency is through worker's control of the economy.

2017-07-06 17:05:22 UTC  

Period.

2017-07-06 17:05:42 UTC  

No third-party regulations from the state, where it can be bribed and legislated out of existence.

2017-07-06 17:06:19 UTC  

I don't think so, the best people in the sector are the best, simply because they'd get richer for their better services, something stifled currently by governments colluding with big business

2017-07-06 17:06:33 UTC  

I agree with your last point, but not on how to do it

2017-07-06 17:06:44 UTC  

A bigger socialist government is just as volnurable

2017-07-06 17:07:28 UTC  

I disagree. People who are rich aren't rich necessarily for being "the better" at services.

2017-07-06 17:07:33 UTC  

Bankers scam people all the time

2017-07-06 17:07:34 UTC  

"real socialists"

2017-07-06 17:07:40 UTC  

Wells Fargo just got caught doing it.

2017-07-06 17:08:01 UTC  

COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED BEFORE

2017-07-06 17:08:12 UTC  

True, but that's because they can buy power from the governments, shrink the governments in areas it's not needed and you get fair competition

2017-07-06 17:08:35 UTC  

No bailouts for one