both socialists and communists are concerned about the exact same

getting to socialism

And eventually Communism.

yes that's what I think, but socialism is for some reason thought of as different

that's because people think socialism is something it's not

people think bernie sanders or the scandi countries are socialism

But the red scare is the main cause why Socialism and Communism are so unpopular in the west.

which is frankly just a mark of shame on actual socialists

yeah, they think the Dutch system is socialist

I wish political discourse would return to a more ideological state

where people would call themselves what they are

Partly, but lets just say that communism doesn't have a whole lot to show for their decades in power to persuade the average joe

at least as long as the USSR is the main thing peopoel connect with communism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkSyRFghLRM

I wonder how long it'll be before leftism because a part of political debate again

at least social democracy made a comeback with bernie sanders which I think is good but untimately won't do much

don't see it happening any time soon, the left seems to be losing everywhere in the west

But of course, I didn't think trump would be president 2 years ago, who knows

The Red Scare atrocity seems to still have effect on today's Western culture, sadly.

I think it's more than that

You can think what you want, but you're one of the people who is poisoned by the red scare.

The way you talk you'll never convince anyone to turn communist

You'd turn stalin into an ancap

Hopeless

Timo

And what happens when the Netherlands goes into recession?

When all those social democratic policies can't be afforded anymore?

When the businessmen bleed money?

Your perfect little paradise won't exist anymore.

That's what is happening in Scandinavia.

It's an international problem.

If a serious economic collapse happen anything can happen

Fascism, communism, libertarian small government, all on the table

It's very visible what happens.

Especially in modern times.

I don't care for the current system either

the EU is a cancer

Then why the hell are you arguing against Socialism?

Real socialists are anti-EU

I know, one of the few good things about them

Socialists aren't my top enemy, but they're up there