And what happens when the Netherlands goes into recession?

When all those social democratic policies can't be afforded anymore?

When the businessmen bleed money?

Your perfect little paradise won't exist anymore.

That's what is happening in Scandinavia.

It's an international problem.

If a serious economic collapse happen anything can happen

Fascism, communism, libertarian small government, all on the table

It's very visible what happens.

Especially in modern times.

I don't care for the current system either

the EU is a cancer

Then why the hell are you arguing against Socialism?

Real socialists are anti-EU

I know, one of the few good things about them

Socialists aren't my top enemy, but they're up there

The only way for actual efficiency is through worker's control of the economy.

Period.

No third-party regulations from the state, where it can be bribed and legislated out of existence.

I don't think so, the best people in the sector are the best, simply because they'd get richer for their better services, something stifled currently by governments colluding with big business

I agree with your last point, but not on how to do it

A bigger socialist government is just as volnurable

I disagree. People who are rich aren't rich necessarily for being "the better" at services.

Bankers scam people all the time

"real socialists"

Wells Fargo just got caught doing it.

COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED BEFORE

True, but that's because they can buy power from the governments, shrink the governments in areas it's not needed and you get fair competition

No bailouts for one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KaU6VYnoJI

But when this "shrinkage" goes on, it eliminates the protections of the working-class. In reality, to the bourgeoisie, it's an opportunity for investment.

Let's take my country for example, America.

We're currently trying to repeal Obamacare (a shitty system nonetheless) to free the healthcare market up, so people may invest. Democrats and Republicans have their own lobbyists and rich people they appeal to, and Obamacare represented another side of that bourgeois interest.

get what I mean?

The current system is fucked, we both agree

No fan of the neocons and neo libs

I would say you are more Libertarian, but the thing is, self-regulation with capitalism is unattainable. That's why we have regulations come about in the first place.

And we end up in the same cycle.

A lot of regulation is very positive for certain sectors though

If you agree those politicians are bought and paid for, they're not making it easier for new businesses

Take the high tax for private businesses for example