Message from @Deleted User

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2017-09-04 10:54:24 UTC  

So then subjective value does not decide market prices but there are a miriad of factors?

2017-09-04 10:54:27 UTC  

Stop this. You are monopolising the higher ground.

2017-09-04 10:54:35 UTC  

However a product like bread (which was the original product we were talking about) it is the value other people place on it

2017-09-04 10:55:38 UTC  

You seem to think that if personal value doesn't change the price in less than 10 seconds that it doesn't determine the price

2017-09-04 10:55:43 UTC  

No

2017-09-04 10:56:03 UTC  

Fact is tulips are cheap now because competition arose because it was valued

2017-09-04 10:56:04 UTC  

I am trying to get you to admit whether personal value is the decider in the price or not and you contradict yourself left right and center

2017-09-04 10:56:10 UTC  

It is

2017-09-04 10:56:16 UTC  

Said that many many many times

2017-09-04 10:56:23 UTC  

Not sure what you're fishing for

2017-09-04 10:56:42 UTC  

So then how would more competition create cheaper prices when prices are derived from personal value?

2017-09-04 10:57:02 UTC  

The personal value drove the competition

2017-09-04 10:58:03 UTC  

And the competition supposedly drives the prices down, meaning there are multiple factors deciding the price and personal value is not the sole decider?

2017-09-04 10:58:31 UTC  

No, personal value>more competition>lower prices

2017-09-04 10:58:37 UTC  

The value must come first

2017-09-04 10:59:11 UTC  

the competition itself is a result of the value given to a product

2017-09-04 10:59:20 UTC  

So then youve just proven that personal value creates other factors which then may drive the prices down?

2017-09-04 10:59:28 UTC  

Yes

2017-09-04 10:59:39 UTC  

I.E Greater production capibilities

2017-09-04 10:59:41 UTC  

That doesn't contradict my first statement

2017-09-04 10:59:55 UTC  

I think me and twist are different kinds of anarchists. Unions, co-opts and syndicates make me nervous.

2017-09-04 11:00:04 UTC  

they should

2017-09-04 11:00:11 UTC  

Are you an individualist anarchist or ancap?

2017-09-04 11:00:36 UTC  

I guess individualist.

2017-09-04 11:00:47 UTC  

this is my position on black rights

2017-09-04 11:00:48 UTC  
2017-09-04 11:01:38 UTC  

Then a socialist economic organisation is better. At least there you get to keep the fruits of your labor and have an equal say in production management.

2017-09-04 11:03:12 UTC  

is the toothbrush sharing joke actually a joke

2017-09-04 11:03:13 UTC  

How do you keep the fruits of your labor in socialism?

2017-09-04 11:03:18 UTC  

I do not believe in any kind of property.

2017-09-04 11:03:30 UTC  

black people should be property

2017-09-04 11:03:40 UTC  

but because i'm a commie they should be collectively owned

2017-09-04 11:03:43 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/354219974619037698/1504455521189.png

2017-09-04 11:03:48 UTC  

Because when you produce something you either keep it or are paid vouchers equivolent to the value produced

2017-09-04 11:04:03 UTC  

so money?

2017-09-04 11:04:05 UTC  

No

2017-09-04 11:04:13 UTC  

They do not circulate and are non accumulative

2017-09-04 11:04:15 UTC  

Keep it?

2017-09-04 11:04:18 UTC  

What do you do with it?

2017-09-04 11:04:29 UTC  

What vouchers for what?

2017-09-04 11:04:31 UTC  

you get to have as many sneakers as you want