And the competition supposedly drives the prices down, meaning there are multiple factors deciding the price and personal value is not the sole decider?

No, personal value>more competition>lower prices

The value must come first

the competition itself is a result of the value given to a product

So then youve just proven that personal value creates other factors which then may drive the prices down?

Yes

I.E Greater production capibilities

That doesn't contradict my first statement

I think me and twist are different kinds of anarchists. Unions, co-opts and syndicates make me nervous.

they should

Are you an individualist anarchist or ancap?

I guess individualist.

this is my position on black rights

https://youtu.be/B5J0Ld_n_NQ

Then a socialist economic organisation is better. At least there you get to keep the fruits of your labor and have an equal say in production management.

is the toothbrush sharing joke actually a joke

How do you keep the fruits of your labor in socialism?

I do not believe in any kind of property.

black people should be property

but because i'm a commie they should be collectively owned

Because when you produce something you either keep it or are paid vouchers equivolent to the value produced

so money?

No

They do not circulate and are non accumulative

Keep it?

What do you do with it?

What vouchers for what?

you get to have as many sneakers as you want

I do not think you produce, things are just produced.

Well if you make a chair



Its your chair now

I disagree.

Seems like something that ends after you have about 5 chairs

And thats why you then turn them in to the federation or the collective and take your vouchers so you can buy other things

How many chair vouchers for a car?

Idk man, if you produce the value equivolent to a car but in chairs

So you'd have to make your own chair?

if you make chairs i guess

A chair is made. Now there is a chair. That is the end of it. But a chair is also firewood. It can be lots of things. Ownership is a tyranny over utility of objects.

I think if I produce a chair I should be able to keep it since it is a result of my labor

What I want to know from socialists is how they plan on having innovation, who gets to be the inventors?