Message from @Anglican
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Are you telling me that Jesus does not save who believe in Him?
Not only by believing
This is pretty contradictory.
You gotta follow Him and His teachings.
So is your theory about it being a coping mechanism
"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."
Right, and rich people don't enter heaven
Even if they believe
I will take the Gospels over Revelations.
Take the easy route in otherwords
Easy route?
Gospels are more central and came first.
Yes, merely believing and thinking you're done is the easy route
The issue is that belief is something like an observation. Whilst using that belief for more is what saves you.
Also, fuck. Ignore me.
My typing is being very slow
I'm not ignoring you.
Like, you can't be an active rapist, murderer, paedophile, sodomite, animal-abuser and go to heaven. All because you believed.
Also, rich people CAN get into heaven. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/can-a-rich-person-get-to-heaven
''The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this. Jesus then spoke this response, leaving his disciples astonished.''
You're meant to fight against your sin, believing that those sins are wrong and such is not enough. Although I know we all conciously sin still, but you know.
Anyway, religion is still offering a pathway to immortal life, that's the main point for the theory to work.
That's the natural assumpition of the human mind.
And hell, which non religious people don't need to worry about
We already discussed this.
Threat of death comes first.
And is less terror than the thought of hell
I didn't much worry about death even when I was an atheist.
For you and your loved ones
Threat of death -> make religion to cope -> raise the stakes to increase stakes and confidence -> increases need to convert and herd society into the religion
Death was just death to myself; I don't think a fear of death (in the modern world) is the issue. it's a need for support in a collasping society.
too one dimensional
>too one dimensional
How's that?
There's heaven so that means is nothing but a coping mechanism is what it sounds like
We fear death when we have strong families and close-knitted together communities. Not falling a part shit piles based upon bullshit values.
You make it sound like hell is just added later to scare the masses
Wait, Tim, you're a Christian?
Not sure tbh
Used to be an atheist
@Anglican This.
>Capitalist modernist