what don't you like about ancoms?

@Blebleh We need centralplanning and a taxsystem, to have a working society.

arkras?

there's libertarian socialism

@Arkras what do you think about anarchist?

are you in support of wagelabour?

it could be compatible; I agree with central planning

One at a time please.

Wage labour isnt communist

@ShadyMarxist A noble concept but there are just too many human for it to be a reality.

wage labour conceived as submission to capitalists?

or as a collective wage system?

Wage labour is shit, and is a part of the problem.

conceived as post-scarcity, I think that it'll take a lot of time to reach that, if we do it

and I think that classical marxists wouldn't imagine the contribution of cybernetics today

@Blebleh We just need to expand apound what Marx gave us. It is one of the founding features of Marxism.

yes

@Arkras Did you read Lunacharski, Bogdanov?

and about taxes, they could be low under a socialist state when the enterprises already have profit and they have excesses

@ShadyMarxist No i've not, sorry i've actually not read that much. I base my knowledge on forums, videos, word of mouth and politicians.

@Arkras They tried to do something like your religion but Lenin convinced them to stop.

@ShadyMarxist Okay, but i gotta go to bed now. I've been awake in about 20 hours, so i'm tried now. Goodnight!

@Blebleh Is Communism popular in Spain?

@Arkras No, socialdemocracy

Okay, but it is better than nothing right? @Blebleh

Yes but it's limited

Yeah when you have Social Democracy, things goes so slow that it begins to go the wrong way again.

@Blebleh

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