Message from @ShadyMarxist
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technically we can't get class division because the means are already owned by the workers and there's no market; but there could be parasitism between the same workers
I agree with you in this
what don't you like about ancoms?
@Blebleh We need centralplanning and a taxsystem, to have a working society.
arkras?
there's libertarian socialism
@Arkras what do you think about anarchist?
are you in support of wagelabour?
it could be compatible; I agree with central planning
One at a time please.
Wage labour isnt communist
@ShadyMarxist A noble concept but there are just too many human for it to be a reality.
wage labour conceived as submission to capitalists?
or as a collective wage system?
Wage labour is shit, and is a part of the problem.
conceived as post-scarcity, I think that it'll take a lot of time to reach that, if we do it
and I think that classical marxists wouldn't imagine the contribution of cybernetics today
@Blebleh We just need to expand apound what Marx gave us. It is one of the founding features of Marxism.
yes
and about taxes, they could be low under a socialist state when the enterprises already have profit and they have excesses
@ShadyMarxist No i've not, sorry i've actually not read that much. I base my knowledge on forums, videos, word of mouth and politicians.
@Arkras They tried to do something like your religion but Lenin convinced them to stop.
@ShadyMarxist Okay, but i gotta go to bed now. I've been awake in about 20 hours, so i'm tried now. Goodnight!
Yes but it's limited
Yeah when you have Social Democracy, things goes so slow that it begins to go the wrong way again.
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Someone please kick this guy