Message from @not_matt

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2017-06-04 21:05:26 UTC  

and there's the unjust power structure

2017-06-04 21:05:34 UTC  

yes

2017-06-04 21:05:50 UTC  

so we have to remove it as soon as possible after the education and horizontal structures are set up

2017-06-04 21:06:09 UTC  

people don't just give up power voluntarily

2017-06-04 21:06:42 UTC  

once a power structure is in place, the power has to be taken back

2017-06-04 21:07:04 UTC  

so then you just revolution again

2017-06-04 21:07:15 UTC  

against the people supposedly defending you as an extension of your interests

2017-06-04 21:07:32 UTC  

when ultimately the goal is abolishing unjust power structures, categorically

2017-06-04 21:07:54 UTC  

There are two trends in anarchism: synthetism, which has all the individual trends of anarchism from the perspective of the person; and platformism, which uses discipline, collective responsability and has theoretical unity

2017-06-04 21:07:58 UTC  

i spat with zielgarat about vanguardism too haha

2017-06-04 21:08:17 UTC  

in the second case, the people has to give authority to a committee, the same with a leninist party

2017-06-04 21:09:03 UTC  

I don't think we need a revolution again, we should make a plan so the people can dismantle the state legally and let them having guns

2017-06-04 21:09:22 UTC  

but then you're relying on reformism to take down power structures

2017-06-04 21:09:26 UTC  

why bother?

2017-06-04 21:09:34 UTC  

why not just let the workers *be* the movement

2017-06-04 21:09:51 UTC  

so they consent, and after revolution when all is set up; we can set up the horizontal structures... if something went wrong people have guns

2017-06-04 21:10:43 UTC  

im still not convinced

2017-06-04 21:11:08 UTC  

there's no reformism because we aren't reforming capitalism

2017-06-04 21:11:46 UTC  

but a "plan" for the state to give up power is asking those in power to relinquish power

2017-06-04 21:11:59 UTC  

rather than *taking* it for the people

2017-06-04 21:13:38 UTC  

im not actually sure if we're disagreeing,

2017-06-04 21:13:46 UTC  

i think the party representing the people can be a tool

2017-06-04 21:13:50 UTC  

but it can't be the end in itself

2017-06-04 21:15:26 UTC  

I agree

2017-06-04 21:15:42 UTC  

but about if we would need another revolution I'm not sure

2017-06-04 21:16:23 UTC  

Stalin tried the reforms, we would need to have this in mind and purge those who don't want to do it

2017-06-04 21:16:36 UTC  

purge (expelling)

2017-06-04 21:52:53 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/321043659493736451/image.jpg

2017-06-05 07:26:02 UTC  
2017-06-05 12:53:10 UTC  

Oooooh

2017-06-05 12:53:14 UTC  

Ooooooooooh

2017-06-05 12:53:21 UTC  

Ooooooooooh

2017-06-05 12:53:24 UTC  

Oooooooooh

2017-06-05 13:27:00 UTC  

is this the continuation of another leftypol?
doesn't seem too organized

2017-06-05 13:49:55 UTC  

Hello comrades

2017-06-05 17:50:59 UTC  

@Deleted User the owner cannot into roles or moderation

2017-06-05 17:51:16 UTC  

pretty sure that 90% of this server is /pol/ just shitposting

2017-06-05 22:01:39 UTC  

Hello

2017-06-05 23:30:14 UTC  
2017-06-06 00:24:16 UTC  

@Shizzie#4947 this is the thought process of the moron owner

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/321444146411995137/1.png

2017-06-06 01:38:48 UTC  

Jeez so rude.. @01MEGA