why bother?

why not just let the workers *be* the movement

so they consent, and after revolution when all is set up; we can set up the horizontal structures... if something went wrong people have guns

im still not convinced

there's no reformism because we aren't reforming capitalism

but a "plan" for the state to give up power is asking those in power to relinquish power

rather than *taking* it for the people

im not actually sure if we're disagreeing,

i think the party representing the people can be a tool

but it can't be the end in itself

I agree

but about if we would need another revolution I'm not sure

Stalin tried the reforms, we would need to have this in mind and purge those who don't want to do it

purge (expelling)

https://youtu.be/IOqxarVWKRs

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is this the continuation of another leftypol?
doesn't seem too organized

Hello comrades

@Deleted User the owner cannot into roles or moderation

pretty sure that 90% of this server is /pol/ just shitposting

Hello

@Deleted User You

@Shizzie#4947 this is the thought process of the moron owner

Jeez so rude.. @01MEGA

The thing is too small to read anyway

@01MEGA It's true, you cannot read it. But what is the motive behind this crusade?

there's no crusade, you can lick on the "open link" button to open it on your browser and read on full size. the server has been flooded with reactionaries and conservatives since i got here, there's virtually no serious leftist discussions and the right wingers have made themselves clear that they have no intentions on having serious dialogues with anyone, but the delusional owner keeps thinking his little server could be used to "train" leftists in debating right wingers. he has very little understanding of his own theory, and admitted to me that he lied about spending "15 years to read on marxism", you can read from the convo i posted above to see why the insult was deserving. keep in mind this was back when i was an anarchist, so i said im not a marxist at the end, i am a marxist now as you can see.

Well i dont understand this politics hoo ha but the chat could be improved

Im just in chagre of the japanese channel and we dont talk about politics so

Just normal things

thats fine, people who want to learn should be given an opportunity to participate in serious discussions and ask questions, not have to deal with stupid meme shitposts

Youre right...

if you want, i can send you an invite to the two other leftypol servers

Sure i guess!

they're much much more well-organized and im thinking of moving all the actual leftists here to there

I still dunno what a leftist is

not to mention the language separation is absolutely moronic, the point is to be able to communicate in the same language for the sake of solidarity, not jerk each other off in their native language. and hardly anyone use the same language as the channel they're in anyways