Message from @Danny Sullivan

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2019-06-14 06:35:50 UTC  

Though it’s a much better idea to discuss socialism because that is achievable now

2019-06-14 06:36:01 UTC  

and it has been observed

2019-06-14 06:36:07 UTC  

The proletarian will be replaced by the AI in any case. The proletarian is subject to extinction within the next 60 years in fact

2019-06-14 06:36:37 UTC  

Socialism was extremely successful in the USSR

2019-06-14 06:36:55 UTC  

Greatly improved the standards of living for the people their

2019-06-14 06:37:15 UTC  

And rapidly industrialized a back water nation into an economic power house

2019-06-14 06:37:29 UTC  

In just a little under 50 years

2019-06-14 06:37:35 UTC  

Do you mean through an extinction event or through the collapse of capitalism when you say “the proletariat is subject to extinction”

2019-06-14 06:37:58 UTC  

The industrialization program was started by the tsar, the Soviets just continued it

2019-06-14 06:38:29 UTC  

@☭ Anon ☭ I mean that there will no longer be a working class once AI can do any meaningful job, but faster

2019-06-14 06:38:41 UTC  

and more efficiently

2019-06-14 06:39:10 UTC  

That’s great. We’ll have achieved automation

2019-06-14 06:39:19 UTC  

Actually 40

2019-06-14 06:39:19 UTC  

@Americus that's called a post scarcity Economy

2019-06-14 06:39:28 UTC  

Which will lead to the eventual nullification of capitalism and labor

2019-06-14 06:39:37 UTC  

As well as economic class

2019-06-14 06:41:22 UTC  

Machines are coldly logical. Population growth will cause them to make the only logical decision. There is no such thing as post scarcity, as long as there are growing populations there will always be a struggle for resources

2019-06-14 06:43:01 UTC  

Industrialized nations have a neutral population flux

2019-06-14 06:43:17 UTC  

^ yuh

2019-06-14 06:43:35 UTC  

If the whole world was industrialized and lived in comfort then population would eventually even out

2019-06-14 06:43:55 UTC  

At least based on the data we have from every nation that had ever industrialized

2019-06-14 06:44:15 UTC  

Americus

2019-06-14 06:44:21 UTC  

Ai will not advance that fast

2019-06-14 06:44:39 UTC  

global economic disaster will first speed up the decay of capitalism

2019-06-14 06:44:54 UTC  

fascism solves nothing at that point so

2019-06-14 06:45:22 UTC  

Food production has a maximum level, the earth does not have enough resources to support the population of the Earth if every nation can produce surpluses. In the short term there will be massive population growth but it is unsustainable in the long run

2019-06-14 06:45:40 UTC  

we have enough food production to feed 1.8 times the population

2019-06-14 06:45:44 UTC  

Then we can expand outwards

2019-06-14 06:45:46 UTC  

Then we better spread out

2019-06-14 06:45:54 UTC  

space colonization is plausible

2019-06-14 06:45:57 UTC  

long term

2019-06-14 06:46:01 UTC  

AI's growth is exponential, it is highly likely that we will see AI capable of handling the macro economy

2019-06-14 06:46:13 UTC  

Make the red planet red! <:HammerAndSickle:575369911690461207>

2019-06-14 06:46:27 UTC  

um

2019-06-14 06:46:32 UTC  

No that wont come for a while

2019-06-14 06:46:38 UTC  

also not to mention the population is leveling off

2019-06-14 06:47:08 UTC  

We still have the same base problem though of population growth and climate change. Do we just keep spreading and using up every resource until we all starve?

2019-06-14 06:47:50 UTC  

Population growth isn't an issue, the population is leveling out

2019-06-14 06:48:07 UTC  

No

2019-06-14 06:48:09 UTC  

Climate change is gonna cause mass genocide

2019-06-14 06:48:12 UTC  

AI, while incredibly useful, will cause a greater change to the global economy than the industrial revolution and it will come a million times faster and harder