It’s also not colonizer

Jews are historically indigenous

Lol.

Lol.

If defending Israel is the hill you want to die on, ok, but I couldn't care less about your deluded opinion. Doubt there's no other country which mirrors Israel's legal status in relation with its ethnic basis for the state, that bill is just a formalization of a principle in which Israel was founded. And that Israel is a colonizer state is factual, some ethnic link on a distant past does not make you a native to the land, having lived there continually until now does.

If you ask me, most people are helpless to fight the powers above them. Whether it's Israel or Palestine. I just believe people don't have enough control in their lives and the higher ups make more decisions on their behalf.
People only have part responsibility like apathy or association in some cases.
In case of the Israel and Palestine conflict, it's really complicated.
I can never come up to a proper conclusion.
I do strongly believe Israel has a right to exist. Also at the same time wish some settlement is done with Palestine. But then there is Hamas or some even blame Mossad of Israel. So it's really complicated, as I said before.

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@Prometheus Sir, Israel has tried many, many times to settle with the Palestinians to no avail.

@Sheogorath Yes, I am aware. I know Hamas is a really a big problem. I just can't see how the problem can solved. Palestine is way too steeped in the hatred of Israel. Just how can we stop that? That's the issue, I can't see to get resolved peacefully.

At least that's what I think. Do give your thoughts more on the issue. I would love to know more.

@Prometheus They teach the children the Isreal is evil.

That explains the hatred

I know that, but nothing can be done then. This is just too sad. Inevitable conclusion can nothing be war. Again needless death over land. Wish it weren't so and people could leave in peace. Not to forget the religious warfare and tensions between each other.

You know about the children raised in Nazi Germany?

Yeah you mean to say in the case of propaganda against the Jews?

They were taught that the Allies were evil.

The issue of Muslims hating Jews hasn't always existed

It was the Jews that started the whole issue

They used to live under the Muslims just fine for centuries and then suddenly betrayed them

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1128235436596445184?s=19

The Jewish homeland didn't even exist before

I'm talking pre WW2

pre WW1 even

it was the Jews that made the agreement with the British to take Palestine from the Ottomans and give it to the Jews

over 1000 years of living under Muslims

and that's how they repay them

Palestinian never existed

They still have more right to the land than the Jews

They didn't take the land through deceptive means

and at least we know that they would allow Christians and Jews to live with freedom of religion and low taxation

As they have done since 637

This has now turned into propaganda warfare, from the ministry of truth.
I won't take part in all this. Because this is exactly the kind of rhetoric they feed to both sides for inevitable conflicts.
I have a rule, whenever you use the past for current conflicts, it becomes never ending, because there is no end to fighting unless a, or both parties decide to end the conflict, because they realize it's not worth it, and they like their children's lives to be preserved, instead of being sent of into a senseless war for land and especially material resources. Put any narrative, it's the same crap they want you to fight over each other.
While the Pigs on the top drink your blood for their progress.

I agree completely that the Israel vs Palestine narrative is futile

Which is why I am for the third option, which is to return it to its previous state

However I don't see why it would be wrong to spill blood in the pursuit of that goal

Blood that would otherwise be spilt anyway

I prefer the 4th option

Destory both states