Message from @Tater
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The first two are non points
Like being or not an ethno-state has nothing to do with the ethnic composition of the population.
As I said it’s National not an ethno state
And non Jews who are citizens have the same rights as other Israelis
It has to do with the rights these populations have, if citizenship is tied to ethnic background/composition then it is an ethno-state.
National and ethnic are synonyms.
One's root is latin and the other is greek.
I’d say ethno state describes a state in its current form, not in its ideal, while nationalism describes an ideal
Ok.
Just colloquially
I wouldn’t call it an ethno state because jews and non Jews who are citizens have the same rights and rules
Don't know what your definitions have to do with whether Israel is an ethno-state and colonizer state, but go on.
It’s also not colonizer
Jews are historically indigenous
Lol.
Lol.
If defending Israel is the hill you want to die on, ok, but I couldn't care less about your deluded opinion. Doubt there's no other country which mirrors Israel's legal status in relation with its ethnic basis for the state, that bill is just a formalization of a principle in which Israel was founded. And that Israel is a colonizer state is factual, some ethnic link on a distant past does not make you a native to the land, having lived there continually until now does.
If you ask me, most people are helpless to fight the powers above them. Whether it's Israel or Palestine. I just believe people don't have enough control in their lives and the higher ups make more decisions on their behalf.
People only have part responsibility like apathy or association in some cases.
In case of the Israel and Palestine conflict, it's really complicated.
I can never come up to a proper conclusion.
I do strongly believe Israel has a right to exist. Also at the same time wish some settlement is done with Palestine. But then there is Hamas or some even blame Mossad of Israel. So it's really complicated, as I said before.
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@Prometheus Sir, Israel has tried many, many times to settle with the Palestinians to no avail.
@Sheogorath Yes, I am aware. I know Hamas is a really a big problem. I just can't see how the problem can solved. Palestine is way too steeped in the hatred of Israel. Just how can we stop that? That's the issue, I can't see to get resolved peacefully.
At least that's what I think. Do give your thoughts more on the issue. I would love to know more.
@Prometheus They teach the children the Isreal is evil.
That explains the hatred
I know that, but nothing can be done then. This is just too sad. Inevitable conclusion can nothing be war. Again needless death over land. Wish it weren't so and people could leave in peace. Not to forget the religious warfare and tensions between each other.
You know about the children raised in Nazi Germany?
Yeah you mean to say in the case of propaganda against the Jews?
They were taught that the Allies were evil.
The issue of Muslims hating Jews hasn't always existed
It was the Jews that started the whole issue
They used to live under the Muslims just fine for centuries and then suddenly betrayed them
The Jewish homeland didn't even exist before
I'm talking pre WW2
pre WW1 even
it was the Jews that made the agreement with the British to take Palestine from the Ottomans and give it to the Jews
over 1000 years of living under Muslims
and that's how they repay them