Message from @Americus

Discord ID: 592944652173312022


2019-06-25 05:01:34 UTC  

You are using an idealist, anti-materialistic argument.

2019-06-25 05:01:34 UTC  

Human life isn't equal, each being is unqiue with certain talents and certain defects

2019-06-25 05:01:58 UTC  

Even if I concede that point, which I don't, their class still owns the means of production and they receive the entire fruit of their labor. They own the entire value of what they create

2019-06-25 05:02:21 UTC  

The class structure of the Amish is a single one, peasentry

2019-06-25 05:02:41 UTC  

The same could be said about proletarian communism

2019-06-25 05:02:49 UTC  

But they still participate in the economic apparatus of the state

2019-06-25 05:03:10 UTC  

Therefore they are simply one class within the state

2019-06-25 05:03:43 UTC  

They are separate from the state. Their right to religious freedom separates them from violating their religious beliefs

2019-06-25 05:04:42 UTC  

That is simply not the case, they have no actual autonomy, they obviously have to interact within the state economic apparatus.

2019-06-25 05:04:55 UTC  

I hate this month

2019-06-25 05:05:28 UTC  

@Monolith they actually have their own autonomy

2019-06-25 05:05:33 UTC  

Which their entire class does, they sell agricultural produce

2019-06-25 05:06:09 UTC  

They are insulated from society and the state at large. They interact with ordinary people seldomly

2019-06-25 05:06:36 UTC  

Goodnight everyone

2019-06-25 05:06:43 UTC  

From wikipedia: "The Amish are subject to sales and property taxes."

2019-06-25 05:06:44 UTC  

Night virgin

2019-06-25 05:08:18 UTC  

night

2019-06-25 05:08:36 UTC  

In terms of social organization they are separate from the government though

2019-06-25 05:09:08 UTC  

Taxes don't mean much. Every entity has to pay them in some form or another

2019-06-25 05:09:48 UTC  

They are ultimately not independent then

2019-06-25 05:10:21 UTC  

Paying some taxes doesn't discount your independence

2019-06-25 05:10:21 UTC  

People would pay taxes in a socialist system tho?

2019-06-25 05:10:41 UTC  

Taxes aren’t inherent to the state

2019-06-25 05:10:43 UTC  

The state is the institution of organised violence which is used by the ruling class of a country to maintain the conditions of its rule, the taxes are enforced through this.

2019-06-25 05:10:52 UTC  

Any place where there is human settlement, there will be some form of taxation

2019-06-25 05:10:54 UTC  

This is what I say to all anarkiddies here

2019-06-25 05:10:54 UTC  

@im in the middle of nowhere bruh Socialism is not stateless.

2019-06-25 05:11:00 UTC  

Franco did nothing wrong

2019-06-25 05:11:05 UTC  

@Americus North Sentinel Island

2019-06-25 05:11:08 UTC  

Franco was gay

2019-06-25 05:11:22 UTC  

@Monolith communities can enforce taxes you don’t need a state to do it

2019-06-25 05:11:31 UTC  

@Deleted User yes but he killed anarchists and gommies

2019-06-25 05:11:48 UTC  

Oh you got me. 39 people don't pay taxes

2019-06-25 05:11:48 UTC  

true

2019-06-25 05:11:49 UTC  

Chad Jose vs virgin Franco

2019-06-25 05:11:52 UTC  

^

2019-06-25 05:12:31 UTC  

You don't even know if they pay taxes. It is illegal to go to the island and encounter the locals

2019-06-25 05:12:40 UTC  

Yes Jose was based

2019-06-25 05:12:41 UTC  

@Americus Technically wrong, also all of those people are still living under a state except for like that one island

2019-06-25 05:13:15 UTC  

They don't even have a conception of taxes in the first place, literally anprim paradise

2019-06-25 05:13:38 UTC  

Ooga Booga