Message from @Americus
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You are using an idealist, anti-materialistic argument.
Human life isn't equal, each being is unqiue with certain talents and certain defects
Even if I concede that point, which I don't, their class still owns the means of production and they receive the entire fruit of their labor. They own the entire value of what they create
The class structure of the Amish is a single one, peasentry
The same could be said about proletarian communism
But they still participate in the economic apparatus of the state
Therefore they are simply one class within the state
They are separate from the state. Their right to religious freedom separates them from violating their religious beliefs
That is simply not the case, they have no actual autonomy, they obviously have to interact within the state economic apparatus.
I hate this month
@Monolith they actually have their own autonomy
Which their entire class does, they sell agricultural produce
They are insulated from society and the state at large. They interact with ordinary people seldomly
Goodnight everyone
From wikipedia: "The Amish are subject to sales and property taxes."
Night virgin
night
In terms of social organization they are separate from the government though
Taxes don't mean much. Every entity has to pay them in some form or another
They are ultimately not independent then
People would pay taxes in a socialist system tho?
Taxes aren’t inherent to the state
The state is the institution of organised violence which is used by the ruling class of a country to maintain the conditions of its rule, the taxes are enforced through this.
Any place where there is human settlement, there will be some form of taxation
This is what I say to all anarkiddies here
@im in the middle of nowhere bruh Socialism is not stateless.
Franco did nothing wrong
Franco was gay
@Monolith communities can enforce taxes you don’t need a state to do it
@Deleted User yes but he killed anarchists and gommies
Oh you got me. 39 people don't pay taxes
true
Chad Jose vs virgin Franco
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You don't even know if they pay taxes. It is illegal to go to the island and encounter the locals
Yes Jose was based
@Americus Technically wrong, also all of those people are still living under a state except for like that one island
They don't even have a conception of taxes in the first place, literally anprim paradise
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