thats sort of the irony of it.

“people are corrupt, we should teach them how to not be corrupt.”

if a person rightly regards themselves as a self aware cog in a determined machine and then articulates how their self is a structure of language

this doesnt work when you cant ensure with absolute certainty that the meathod by which you teach people isnt itself corrupt.

they will no longer be under the foibles of dreamers manipulating them into patterns for their amusement

@nemurin and those individuals will find a way to rule themselves. as they should.

but not everyone is like that.

there is no un-corrupt movement nor even all encompassing good just a set of preferences in the mortal coil

and to help people reach a peacable environment for life in the most peaceful way possible should be the aim

which varies to group and individual broadly

@nemurin if there is no collective good i have no reason to work collectively.

Where is my arm chair emoji when I need it

what collective do you refer to?

its goals are usually defined rather brutely and enforced rather uniformly

obama

this is an aside but are any of you fine folks studied on historical catholic liturgy

im writing something and need those historical deets

All I know is what it lacks

Smh

yeah im gonna have to find some dyed in the wool fundie or actually email a historian

or learn latin lol

@nemurin constantine is rolling in his grave

Bruh just get on some Christian server there are plenty of people that can help you there as long as it's a normal one

Its kind of an odd thing i need in pre-tridenterian mass and ritual information

so id have to find some server afilliated with religious history as the texts are sparse on the exact subject

do you all believe in free will

I do, yes

not relevant but I’d like to know

compatibilism is the only one that makes sense

oh alright. Well, how?@vespertilionineVigilante

How do you explain free will

It's when you have an option to choose between different things and it's not predetermined?

its hard to really boldly claim that decisions are more than the output of recursive reaction to the environment and genetics

^ this

but at the same time empiricsm will never be able to determine something with surety

so there will always be room for an inexplicable phenomena in the micro level decisions

Eh

I'm pretty sure we have free will but we're just influenced in favor of some decisions depending on the circumstances

Even if you accurately modeled every process of the brain postulating a thought, which must be different for each individual, you would be left having to explain why the quantum particles that dictate the broader movements are arranged in their particular way

and so on and backwards

so empiricism and casulity will never really meet each other