After people settled families in a horde that couldn't provide for themselves were made into debt and eventually slaves

class antagonisms are a good thing.

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Why must there be an antagonistic relationship between a ruling and working class

because the ruling class SHOULD fear the working class.

different individuals have drives for material power and will go to different lengths to exert it

and the working class should serve the ruling class.

so no matter the system there will be a more material minded part of society that wields more worldly influence

small groups of people and individuals make better decisions than everyone deciding together. everyone together, however, is what makes a movement a movement and not a ronin.

@nemurin absolutely.

movements are just hijacking other peoples wills tbh and are the opposite of philosophy

@nemurin which is why its important to concentrate on a single individual.

leaders.

why trust the individual man when you could instead lead people generally to proper thought systemically

Individuals are the product of society, and they accomplish nothing alone

because you cant.

what do you mean, that is the thrust of all recent philosophy even despite counter-enlightenemnt sentiment

because such an idea already lends itself to corruption.

thats sort of the irony of it.

“people are corrupt, we should teach them how to not be corrupt.”

if a person rightly regards themselves as a self aware cog in a determined machine and then articulates how their self is a structure of language

this doesnt work when you cant ensure with absolute certainty that the meathod by which you teach people isnt itself corrupt.

they will no longer be under the foibles of dreamers manipulating them into patterns for their amusement

@nemurin and those individuals will find a way to rule themselves. as they should.

but not everyone is like that.

there is no un-corrupt movement nor even all encompassing good just a set of preferences in the mortal coil

and to help people reach a peacable environment for life in the most peaceful way possible should be the aim

which varies to group and individual broadly

@nemurin if there is no collective good i have no reason to work collectively.

Where is my arm chair emoji when I need it

what collective do you refer to?

its goals are usually defined rather brutely and enforced rather uniformly

obama

this is an aside but are any of you fine folks studied on historical catholic liturgy

im writing something and need those historical deets

All I know is what it lacks

Smh

yeah im gonna have to find some dyed in the wool fundie or actually email a historian

or learn latin lol

@nemurin constantine is rolling in his grave

Bruh just get on some Christian server there are plenty of people that can help you there as long as it's a normal one