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this is an aside but are any of you fine folks studied on historical catholic liturgy

im writing something and need those historical deets

All I know is what it lacks

Smh

yeah im gonna have to find some dyed in the wool fundie or actually email a historian

or learn latin lol

@nemurin constantine is rolling in his grave

Bruh just get on some Christian server there are plenty of people that can help you there as long as it's a normal one

Its kind of an odd thing i need in pre-tridenterian mass and ritual information

so id have to find some server afilliated with religious history as the texts are sparse on the exact subject

do you all believe in free will

I do, yes

not relevant but I’d like to know

compatibilism is the only one that makes sense

oh alright. Well, how?@vespertilionineVigilante

How do you explain free will

It's when you have an option to choose between different things and it's not predetermined?

its hard to really boldly claim that decisions are more than the output of recursive reaction to the environment and genetics

^ this

but at the same time empiricsm will never be able to determine something with surety

so there will always be room for an inexplicable phenomena in the micro level decisions

Eh

I'm pretty sure we have free will but we're just influenced in favor of some decisions depending on the circumstances

Even if you accurately modeled every process of the brain postulating a thought, which must be different for each individual, you would be left having to explain why the quantum particles that dictate the broader movements are arranged in their particular way

and so on and backwards

so empiricism and casulity will never really meet each other

i beleive that free will and determinism are not incompatable.

in fact one is needed for the other

how can you make decisions if your environment is not ordered and determined

if your decision just flew away in some non linear time soup then it could be hardly called will at all

^

will is free BECAUSE its determined.

man can do what he will.

but we do not will what we will.

it isn't so clean i think

willing what we will is up to the universe, and thus is constrained and defined.

That makes no sense to me. How is it “free” if the output is result of processes outside of an individuals control.

but this is not free will.

free will is the ability to do what we will.

and we can.