Is not hard

@Mattie
"The greater good outweighs the potential costs both societally and personally"
So, then your AREN'T about informed consent, are you? Since this contradicts what you said earlier....

Answer the question

How is the CPR example not analogous

Stop avoiding the question

@Mattie why don't you forget about the horse and repair your contradiction?

@Say because there is no consent.

No you can be for both informed consent to reasonable people and then take away mistreated children and give them medical care when required as children can not give consent

We’re not talking about consent

We’re talking about how you have to potentially harm someone to save their lives

@Mattie please explain how one can force ANYONE to do ANYTHING?

You’re saying that we shouldn’t do CPR because someone might break a rib

@Say says you.

Jails

Are literally forcing people to stay their

Your claim is that we shouldn’t potentially harm someone to save their life

Parents are forced by law to send there a children to school

If you’re being logically consistent then you should be against CPR

And xrays

And operating on possibly malignant tumours

The person needing CPR has no capability of giving consent. Therefore you are imposing an involuntary hierarchy over them. They are no longer ethical actors, but you are their caretaker now. That is why you can do that.

And pretty much all preemptive medicine

Alright im not gonna carry on this conversation. Clearly you have no intention of being intellectually honest

@Say and how is that dishonest?

You pick and choose when consent is consent

But please, do run away if you can't handle it. I understand....

You continually place words in other people’s mouths and use strawmen

By your logic an unconscious persons right to consent is passed to the nearest person

In what world is that a thing

@Say nice. Youre trying to impeach me by using what I impeached you with. Try a little harder, will you?

I went to school for 12 years to become a doctor. It is admittedly frustrating when a layman with zero understanding of biology and chemistry tries to debunk one of the most well-accepted principles of medicine

@Mattie it's passed to a person willing to be their caretaker. No coercion.

But they have no choice on who that is

@Say your appeal to authority means nothing. This subject matter is about morality. Please don't strawman.....AGAIN.

Appeals to authority isn’t a fallacy genius

Appeal to false authority is

@Mattie exactly. That's why there's a thing called "caretaker"

Appealing to experts in the field of medicine Isnt a fallacy

And i tried explaining the biological basis of vaccinations but you refused to listen

@Say you've never heard of expert bias? Because you're doing it right now.

@Say their not worth the time you can't change their mind the phrase ok boomer applies to this very situation