Message from @Mattie
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Analogies are useful to see logical consistency
Inaccurate analogies are, though. False comparison.
The greater good outweighs the potential costs both societally and personally
How is the CPR analogy not analogous
Here we go.....the discussion has broken down to semantics. The first step towards impasse.
Tell me how the CPR example is not analgous
Get of your high horse and answer the question which
Is not hard
@Mattie
"The greater good outweighs the potential costs both societally and personally"
So, then your AREN'T about informed consent, are you? Since this contradicts what you said earlier....
Answer the question
How is the CPR example not analogous
Stop avoiding the question
@Mattie why don't you forget about the horse and repair your contradiction?
@Say because there is no consent.
No you can be for both informed consent to reasonable people and then take away mistreated children and give them medical care when required as children can not give consent
We’re not talking about consent
We’re talking about how you have to potentially harm someone to save their lives
@Mattie please explain how one can force ANYONE to do ANYTHING?
You’re saying that we shouldn’t do CPR because someone might break a rib
@Say says you.
Are literally forcing people to stay their
Your claim is that we shouldn’t potentially harm someone to save their life
Parents are forced by law to send there a children to school
If you’re being logically consistent then you should be against CPR
And xrays
And operating on possibly malignant tumours
The person needing CPR has no capability of giving consent. Therefore you are imposing an involuntary hierarchy over them. They are no longer ethical actors, but you are their caretaker now. That is why you can do that.
And pretty much all preemptive medicine
Alright im not gonna carry on this conversation. Clearly you have no intention of being intellectually honest
@Say and how is that dishonest?
You pick and choose when consent is consent
But please, do run away if you can't handle it. I understand....
You continually place words in other people’s mouths and use strawmen
By your logic an unconscious persons right to consent is passed to the nearest person
In what world is that a thing
@Say nice. Youre trying to impeach me by using what I impeached you with. Try a little harder, will you?
I went to school for 12 years to become a doctor. It is admittedly frustrating when a layman with zero understanding of biology and chemistry tries to debunk one of the most well-accepted principles of medicine
@Mattie it's passed to a person willing to be their caretaker. No coercion.
But they have no choice on who that is
@Say your appeal to authority means nothing. This subject matter is about morality. Please don't strawman.....AGAIN.