Message from @Mattie

Discord ID: 643241130703716412


2019-11-11 00:06:09 UTC  

Analogies are useful to see logical consistency

2019-11-11 00:06:28 UTC  

Inaccurate analogies are, though. False comparison.

2019-11-11 00:06:37 UTC  

The greater good outweighs the potential costs both societally and personally

2019-11-11 00:06:41 UTC  

How is the CPR analogy not analogous

2019-11-11 00:07:02 UTC  

Here we go.....the discussion has broken down to semantics. The first step towards impasse.

2019-11-11 00:07:19 UTC  

Tell me how the CPR example is not analgous

2019-11-11 00:07:23 UTC  

Get of your high horse and answer the question which

2019-11-11 00:07:30 UTC  

Is not hard

2019-11-11 00:07:52 UTC  

@Mattie
"The greater good outweighs the potential costs both societally and personally"
So, then your AREN'T about informed consent, are you? Since this contradicts what you said earlier....

2019-11-11 00:08:05 UTC  

Answer the question

2019-11-11 00:08:14 UTC  

How is the CPR example not analogous

2019-11-11 00:08:19 UTC  

Stop avoiding the question

2019-11-11 00:08:24 UTC  

@Mattie why don't you forget about the horse and repair your contradiction?

2019-11-11 00:09:05 UTC  

@Say because there is no consent.

2019-11-11 00:09:23 UTC  

No you can be for both informed consent to reasonable people and then take away mistreated children and give them medical care when required as children can not give consent

2019-11-11 00:09:25 UTC  

We’re not talking about consent

2019-11-11 00:09:53 UTC  

We’re talking about how you have to potentially harm someone to save their lives

2019-11-11 00:10:03 UTC  

@Mattie please explain how one can force ANYONE to do ANYTHING?

2019-11-11 00:10:07 UTC  

You’re saying that we shouldn’t do CPR because someone might break a rib

2019-11-11 00:10:25 UTC  

@Say says you.

2019-11-11 00:10:36 UTC  

Jails

2019-11-11 00:10:50 UTC  

Are literally forcing people to stay their

2019-11-11 00:11:04 UTC  

Your claim is that we shouldn’t potentially harm someone to save their life

2019-11-11 00:11:19 UTC  

Parents are forced by law to send there a children to school

2019-11-11 00:11:22 UTC  

If you’re being logically consistent then you should be against CPR

2019-11-11 00:11:30 UTC  

And xrays

2019-11-11 00:11:47 UTC  

And operating on possibly malignant tumours

2019-11-11 00:11:52 UTC  

The person needing CPR has no capability of giving consent. Therefore you are imposing an involuntary hierarchy over them. They are no longer ethical actors, but you are their caretaker now. That is why you can do that.

2019-11-11 00:11:58 UTC  

And pretty much all preemptive medicine

2019-11-11 00:12:44 UTC  

Alright im not gonna carry on this conversation. Clearly you have no intention of being intellectually honest

2019-11-11 00:13:02 UTC  

@Say and how is that dishonest?

2019-11-11 00:13:06 UTC  

You pick and choose when consent is consent

2019-11-11 00:13:30 UTC  

But please, do run away if you can't handle it. I understand....

2019-11-11 00:13:33 UTC  

You continually place words in other people’s mouths and use strawmen

2019-11-11 00:13:47 UTC  

By your logic an unconscious persons right to consent is passed to the nearest person

2019-11-11 00:14:02 UTC  

In what world is that a thing

2019-11-11 00:14:24 UTC  

@Say nice. Youre trying to impeach me by using what I impeached you with. Try a little harder, will you?

2019-11-11 00:14:38 UTC  

I went to school for 12 years to become a doctor. It is admittedly frustrating when a layman with zero understanding of biology and chemistry tries to debunk one of the most well-accepted principles of medicine

2019-11-11 00:14:56 UTC  

@Mattie it's passed to a person willing to be their caretaker. No coercion.

2019-11-11 00:15:25 UTC  

But they have no choice on who that is

2019-11-11 00:15:42 UTC  

@Say your appeal to authority means nothing. This subject matter is about morality. Please don't strawman.....AGAIN.