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yes, exactly. but do you think they would immediately become identitarians after that?

of course not

It's good to use losses to our advantage, but there is no point to willingly take many losses for no reason. Rarely does a loss mean a win in the end.

they'd be communist before anything else

power fantasies are one of the most dangerous mistakes we can make right now

we need to be using every method we still have to push back

and institutions are one of them

@Alex Kolchak - NY so you are fine with having a large carryover of the old stuff in your new system if successful

depending on what you mean by success

Horse ------ Your Cart

you’re missing my point. The current system is a means to an end

ah

ok I can buy that argument more

recall that communists in Eastern European countries often used lawful means to gain power

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Dang, really?

in Czechia, I believe, the entire cabinet resigned because of Communist govt officials’ corruption. Guess what happened? The communists filled those positions.

I may be mistaking the country, but that scenario 100% happened

the good guys did the noble idealistic thing and lost control of the government almost overnight

well I will respectfully disagree although I might be completely wrong and off the rails

*this is what happens*

yeah, honor and principles are great...unless the enemy has none

Why the hell would you resign from a position of power as a form of protest?

That's, like, *really* dumb

exactly. And abandoning existing institutions is on par with that

Reminds me of boycotting elections, another retarded thing people do as a form of protest

sorry I took the go-off juice there but this is something I feel really strongly about

I would do my dude. All is fair in love and war, there really is no honour in diverse societies, or societies where a group is actively trying to take it over.

@Alex Kolchak - NY for the record wht year is that?

anyway, back what to what we were talking about

I doubt that communists came to power through legal means in most Eastern European countries

I mean, in Russia it happened through a literal revolution

yeah

I actually don't remember how it happened in Poland

I mean it's definitely *a* way

@Jacob the soviet union basically put it there

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_People%27s_Republic#History

yep this doesn't sound very legal lol

so it's definitely a way