Message from @Virgil
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@TMatthews Pretty easy to explain "We are an organization for Americans as defined by the great men who founded this nation, there are many organizations that myself as a white Christian gentile would be prohibited from joining, so it makes perfect sense that such an organization exists exclusively for us."
Easy as
I'm more than willing to help other Whites get connected to their roots. It's hard to deny someone their culture
@Jacob Same. America isn't a nation anymore. It's an economic zone and the only thing binding us together is a vast bureaucracy. I wish that wasn't the case. I don't expect the US to survive the century intact and if it does, we end up in a South Africa situation. I feel a strong connection to the land where my ancestors have lived since the 1600s, but the institutions have pretty all been subverted
Generally the people on a completely basic level want three things. Safety, money, and as little change as possible. Appealing to their safety, the economic consequences, and radical changes that are being forced upon Them is what will stir them Into action.
@Virgil Is slippery slope really a fallacy though? Accepting gays -> to gay marriage -> accepting trannies -> men in womens bathrooms -> tranny children and now the next step seems to be acceptance of pedos (*rebranded* as minor attracted persons)
@Deleted User That's the exact explanation I'd use, but I simply don't think it would be enough. Just think about how conservatives support Zionism but think "anyone should be able to become American if they share our values"
@TMatthews It wasn't always like that, for 99% of our history we were an extension of Europe and a European people. Just like the Germans, Italians or Poles. The whole reason why IE exists is so that we can reclaim our birthright and our nation.
We could frame it as: "Promoting policies that favor a more homogeneous America akin to Japan"
Making an emergency retreat for an outlet to Continue this convo brb
i always say IE is an American heritage organization like Descendants of the Mayflower or Sons of the American Revolution
@Virgil Barring mass deportation though, it's not going back. We can't even get politicians to stop immigration and even if we did tomorrow we'd still become a minority
@TMatthews OK, what does that show? - that our views are natural and a complete system, more or less - to be a Establishment Conservative is to deeply embrace hypocritical positions on a daily basis.
They might have the airwaves now, but they didn't always, and won't in the future - if the rising nationalist sentiment here and abroad is anything to show for.
@Asatru Artist - MD Right but that can work both ways, if embracing a more marketable name is cucking than using slippery slope logic in reverse, one could say that having s swastika logo would make us idealogically pure and uncucked
Swastika =/= race though. It's is a symbol of power.
IMO, getting attached at the hip too much to the Trumpian movement could put us in for a wild ride. If we have to be Trump apologists at retcon stuff like TPUSA it may very well get us in a different manner of guilt by association. I like Trump as much as the next Identitarian, but I do not trust him enough to tie ourselves too close to the Trumpian phenomenon.
Trump is absolutely not someone we should be tied to
Trump is but temporary, our people's existence should be forever, if we can help it
@Deleted User I certainly hope you're right. It just seems a shame to me for us to throw away the whole brand because of one stupid interview by a guy who's no longer in the organization. Maybe my perspective is different because I played close attention to what Patrick did to distance IE from that before I joined
Instead we are gonna grab the normie by the optics
@TMatthews Non-whites have always existed in America but they were seperate. Until the very late 20th century. They weren't considered part of our nation just a foreign people occupying our land.
as someone who was 100% on the Trump Train in 2015/16, i agree @Jacob
@Sam Anderson Lol
Aptly put.
We shouldn't be tied to him no. But his base and his movement which his campaign created is an untapped resource.
We don't have to rebrand to tap into the source, though, (imo)
I'm sorry, but, in a lot of people's minds, Trump just comes off as dumb, it's not entirely unreasonable. There's a lot of friends who actually seen to understand my anti immigration arguments, but nothing I say will make them like Trump.
@Virgil I don't disagree, but this foreign people used to be 12% of the population, not almost 40% and climbing
I don't disagree. I don't personally think he's brilliant either.
Im saying the people like tucker Carlson and anne Coulter have become very intelligent and well spoken people who align with the America first agenda
And these are powerful allies as are their viewers and fans.
And right now I don't think we can court them.
Likewise Ann Coulter is great, but she went so far hard on the Pro-Trump bit that she has to kind of ride the tiger so to speak. The Trump forever people are all boomers. While I would not mind them cutting some checks for us, they are not gonna be central to our message.
We have enough people and agency to be our own thing. Not ride the coattails of another.
Trump needs to pull all the strings to have a chance at helping our cause, which he hasn't done in 2 years. He's going to lose the house and might lose reelection in 2020. Not looking good. Democrats won the 2016 popular vote by 3 million votes, we just squeaked through the electoral college. The Dems dominate the normies. Texas is expected to go blue by 2024. The Republican party will likely return to a "win over the Hispanics" party soon after Trump leaves office.
Blue Triangle gang gang forever.
@TMatthews Doesn't really matter if they're 12 or 40 percent. The core genetic stock if the American people still exists regardless. Should Greeks have given up on Greece because it was occupied by Turks. Should the Castillians have given up on Spain because of the moorish demographics?
I don't necessarily agree we have the people or the power to stand alone right now.
Frankly.
We're still Fledgling and we have baggage. Pair that with a rather obscure academic concept and it loses interest
I agree that our message and methods aren't specifically pro-Trumpians... but we never even tried to target them, either.