No, actually, the Civil rights act was imposed even thought the market wanted to integrate blacks in the US

so it's a desirable goal

But I want borders. That's my freedom of association

Sounds like you don't like freedom

Well if your freedom inters with other's then it's time for you to stop 😃

Why?

Because you're violating other people's freedom

Their freedom of movement is interfering with my right to a quiet neighborhood

and we don't want that if we want to maximize freedom do we?

So let me get it right, two people want to associate with each others but you don't want them in "your" neighbourhood

How can my freedom interfere with someone else's freedom? That doesn't even make sense

@StevenStevens Yes, so what are the rules of the neighborhood?

If two people in El paso want to associate what right does someone that isn't even there have to tell them not to?

No one is telling you to open your house for them

The local laws of El paso are

altough the abolition of land lords is also desirable

Is it desirable?

That's a big assumption

It is for the citizens of a nation to decide border policy, thats what makes nations sovereign. No one else has the "right" to cross the border into to associate with someone else in the same way person A can't trespass on person B's property to associate with someone else if person B isn't consenting

This doesn't sound like freedom at all.

Sounds like some bastardized definition of freedom

Hell, freedom itself is a dumb word

Yes, people worrying about where to sleep and eat makes them less free, it's a loaded gun pushing them into actions they would otherwise not take

Define freedom

Living in a commune with my communist friends

That doesn't answer anything

That is true freedom

Okay, so freedom of association

You and your friends

Yes freedom from landlords

oppresive forces of the market

freedom from government

You can still be 100% free and still need to worry about food and shelter. After all, if you were out in a perfect state of nature you are "free" but you are not free from consequences

Okay. But do you have the right to impose that on someone who's not your friend?

@-5K- Only if resources are poorly alocated in our commune they won't be right komrad?

@Fitzydog Yes.

Because it's freedom

How?

Anything else is just not freedom

So it's not freedom of association.

You define freedom as 'free from the oppression of reality' or something

There is no such thing as absolute freedom. It is something simply unsustainable and impossible to achieve

Freedom is when we achieve communism brother