Hell, freedom itself is a dumb word

Yes, people worrying about where to sleep and eat makes them less free, it's a loaded gun pushing them into actions they would otherwise not take

Define freedom

Living in a commune with my communist friends

That doesn't answer anything

That is true freedom

Okay, so freedom of association

You and your friends

Yes freedom from landlords

oppresive forces of the market

freedom from government

You can still be 100% free and still need to worry about food and shelter. After all, if you were out in a perfect state of nature you are "free" but you are not free from consequences

Okay. But do you have the right to impose that on someone who's not your friend?

@-5K- Only if resources are poorly alocated in our commune they won't be right komrad?

@Fitzydog Yes.

Because it's freedom

How?

Anything else is just not freedom

So it's not freedom of association.

You define freedom as 'free from the oppression of reality' or something

There is no such thing as absolute freedom. It is something simply unsustainable and impossible to achieve

Freedom is when we achieve communism brother

No land lords

Yeah, freedom is a weird undefined word at this point.

Aaaand now I know you're just a troll

Anarcho Communism on paper is perhaps the closest thing to freedom

however unattainable

Freedom (in the way I assume we are talking about) doesn't mean being free from want or need, just free from the coercion and power of others. And yes it in its perfect form is unattainable

Anarcho Communism is way more free than anarcho capitalism for example

indeed

the market oppresses and forces people into actions not desirable, it's literally a loaded gun forcing people to be slaves while their bosses steal all their labour

The closest thing to freedom would be going out in the wild with no one else around and with no one else knowing nor caring about you

The yeah, we don't have anywhere close to the same definition of freedom

@-5K- a state of nature

One cannot be free while individuals profit from others work

I can't be free unless I have the ability to pay people for their work

Pay? Why'd you need to pay someone when there is no market?

You can still be free with others profiting off of your work if you voluntarily consent for them to do that

@-5K- You're arguing against a phantom brick wall lol

@Fitzydog An ideal government would be something close to the Paris commune

An ideal govt is one in which I have a giant wall around my town and I get to hang commies from crosses out front

The wall was only there because liberals don't like freedom of association

That makes zero sense but OK retard