Message from @Ald
Discord ID: 501250599946420225
Never said open up to non whites
Bring conservatives to us not us to them
Use rhetoric and policies that will make non whites disinterested without being explicity white only
Or just flat out don't address it
That's ridiculous dude
I actually agree that we should tap into them
We should create front groups to do not
Well, given this organization's founding it's a bit late to try to trick people into believing we're something we aren't.
"boy I love milk, farmers markets, and craft beer" <-- this should dissuade nonwhites from coming
We should never dilute the real group
Goodnight ladies and gents.👏
Goodnight @hbutzer0511
We could do our explicit rheotric and slogans through college rep groups and other trump style groups
This sounds like 4D chess to break away from the stigma that comes from speaking sincerely about race and identity -- that's really not going to happen at this point, again, given the organization's history.
But just explicitly being an effectively revolutionary right group with an extremely obscure metapolitcial lexicon I just frankly don't see as getting incredibly far
Our purpose isn't just to network -- it's to send a message. If we're not speaking honestly about these issues, who will?
Sorry to hear you don't believe we'll succeed @Kingfish
I hope we prove you wrong.
Isn't membership growing?
There's something to be said for avoiding fringe issues, using more American/Trumpian aesthetics, etc. -- but we're already doing that. As to the term identitarian -- I think it's good, but I'm not opposed to nationalist either.
The left long marched into our institutions and effectively took over our country while being completely disingenuous with the people. They preached love and peace and laughed all the way to the bank with a Marxist/leftist root only seen by the top echelon
You don't think there was a radical vanguard?
Whenever someone asks me where I stand politically, I always just say I'm a nationalist to avoid having to explain identitarian, its definitely good for normie conversation
How many times since the 50s have we learned the lesson that masking our true intentions does not work except to actually degrade those intentions into what we wanted to overcome in the first place (the mainstream right)
I understand toning down the message to normies so you don't get doxed, but identitarian is specific, whereas nationalist can be a bit vague.
e.g. civic vs ethnic/racial
If it's any consolation the Left has also overplayed their hand and has no idea of how to operate when we go on the offense instead of staying on defense
The disagreement here I think is as to whether or not we should be explicit, or rather how explicit we should be
@Reinhard Wolff lmao I literally never said I don't think we'll win I even said earlier I think the ideology is strong I just don't being explicitly in your face about is going to get too far I think the networking and infrastructure will be far more important. I don't really appreciate you representing me as being against the org or our cause though. I'm not saying were doomed I'm just saying the infrastructure and the network will prove more effective long term and that our rhetoric with adjusted would grant us more of that.
I joined IE because it was explicitly white, well run, professional, and obviously growing.
I'm a supporter of this approach. The way the Overton Window works is that you always get less than you bargain for. That's why we need people to be radical. Not extremist, but radical.
The left won using front groups, but still had more radical groups both to funnel people into, and to pull on the Overton Window.
@Ald we are explicit on race but not abrasive on it. Many groups have walked this line. It's harder for us because the media controllers hate us, but in the end people will still want to hear how we describe ourselves from our own mouths, and it's important not to give the media any records to present us as speaking for ourselves badly
>But just explicitly being an effectively revolutionary right group with an extremely obscure metapolitcial lexicon I just frankly don't see as getting incredibly far
"I don't see as getting incredibly far" -- this doesn't refer to us? Which other right wing group with an "extreme obscure metapolitical lexicon" (identitarian?) were you referring to?
We're talking about IE.
I'm saying in our current position how everything stands
Not the org not the members not the future
Right, one should be as optics friendly as possible *within* explicit White advocacy toward an ethnostate, or else what are we really doing here @ThisIsChris
Which group were you referring to?