Message from @Largezo112
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Also, they failed, they lost.
The guy in the middle is Santiago Abascal, Vox' leader.
POOR GUYS - 2 old men have died when going to vote, 1 in the south and 1 in the north, both casted their vote BEFORE dying.
First real results from 🇪🇸 will start dropping at around 22:30 local time (16:30ET). @Largezo112 @Oliver Starley
ok
i didn’t know there were spanish elections
The first results will start being published in like 15 minutes but, yeah, it won't be until 22:30 when we'll have more definite stuff.
Spain uses the rather interesting "D'Hondt's law" to decide the seats.
as do we 😃
Do you know how it actually works? The math involved is almost hilarious.
D'Hondt's law uses a partition system:
A = 5000 votes, their numbers are 5000/2500/1666/1250
B = 4000 votes, their numbers are 4000/2000/1333/1000
C = 3000 votes, their numbers are 3000/1500/1000/750
D = 2000 votes, their numbers are 2000/1000/666/500
i know how it works but cannot describe it in english
Their numbers (whole, half, third, fourth, etc) are what actually decide who gets seats
so you get a number, first number is all of the votes of your party, second half etc.etc. That number decides whether or not you go in
For example, if an area gives FOUR seats, the results would look like this:
Seat #1 = A (because 5000)
Seat #2 = B (because 4000)
Seat #3 = C (because 3000)
Seat #4 = A again (because 2500)
which means that if a party gets a lot of votes but its candidates' don't they will still be chosen
it favors larger parties
If an area gives SEVEN seats, the results would look like this:
Seat #1 = A (because 5000)
Seat #2 = B (because 4000)
Seat #3 = C (because 3000)
Seat #4 = A again (because 2500)
Seat #5 = D (because 2000)
Seat #6 = B (because 2000)
Seat #7 = A again (because 1666)
is that good or bad?
otoh it keeps fringe parties out but perpetuates status quo
I think it tries to block stupid parties from getting a seat, which is not a bad idea.
i think we could experiment with alternative vote. If my #1 candidate doesn't get in my vote goes to #2
Would you really want a bunch of local morons to gain a seat in the nation's parliament?
not really
but it keeps large parties in because they are large
i think there should be an individual threshold and by passing that you would get in automatically
that would be more representative
Nah, it's about representing an area. It favors "focused" voting.
Some parties in Spain get quite some votes nationwide but it's so spread out they end up with no seats.
Meanwhile, "region-locked" parties get a bunch of seats with less votes because they actually represent their area.
if you're semi-popular everywhere shouldn't you get seats?
Nah, that's not how politics work. You gotta represent YOUR AREA and look for the best for YOUR AREA.
Every citizen should have a MP and a senator.
that's how most people vote
with their own area in mind
i don't. i try to look 20 years into the future and see who can do the least damage
After 10% bleach is starting to look really tasty. ðŸ˜
PSOE did an awful job the past 12 months or so, with many scandals and stupid proposals, HOW ARE THEY GETTING BETTER!?
How has PP lost HALF their percentage so far?