Message from @Largezo112

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2019-04-26 18:23:08 UTC  

Valencia is Spain's 3rd biggest metro area (1,8 million) and the city hall is far-left.

2019-04-26 18:23:30 UTC  

I'm excited for the elections, I can't wait until Sunday.

2019-04-27 02:46:21 UTC  

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1121743478772391937 Corbyn fails to mention that they were fighting for Communism and Spain would have fallen to the Soviets.

2019-04-27 21:23:15 UTC  

Also, they failed, they lost.

2019-04-27 22:57:02 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/571832208160194602/bbb0.jpg

2019-04-28 15:41:51 UTC  

The guy in the middle is Santiago Abascal, Vox' leader.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/572085078138683393/bbb0.jpg

2019-04-28 16:06:35 UTC  

POOR GUYS - 2 old men have died when going to vote, 1 in the south and 1 in the north, both casted their vote BEFORE dying.

2019-04-28 18:51:55 UTC  

First real results from 🇪🇸 will start dropping at around 22:30 local time (16:30ET). @Largezo112 @Oliver Starley

2019-04-28 18:52:12 UTC  

ok

2019-04-28 18:53:01 UTC  

i didn’t know there were spanish elections

2019-04-28 18:54:51 UTC  

The first results will start being published in like 15 minutes but, yeah, it won't be until 22:30 when we'll have more definite stuff.

2019-04-28 18:59:36 UTC  

Spain uses the rather interesting "D'Hondt's law" to decide the seats.

2019-04-28 19:00:02 UTC  

as do we 😃

2019-04-28 19:00:25 UTC  

Do you know how it actually works? The math involved is almost hilarious.

2019-04-28 19:01:37 UTC  

D'Hondt's law uses a partition system:
A = 5000 votes, their numbers are 5000/2500/1666/1250
B = 4000 votes, their numbers are 4000/2000/1333/1000
C = 3000 votes, their numbers are 3000/1500/1000/750
D = 2000 votes, their numbers are 2000/1000/666/500

2019-04-28 19:01:56 UTC  

i know how it works but cannot describe it in english

2019-04-28 19:02:08 UTC  

Their numbers (whole, half, third, fourth, etc) are what actually decide who gets seats

2019-04-28 19:02:31 UTC  

so you get a number, first number is all of the votes of your party, second half etc.etc. That number decides whether or not you go in

2019-04-28 19:03:00 UTC  

For example, if an area gives FOUR seats, the results would look like this:
Seat #1 = A (because 5000)
Seat #2 = B (because 4000)
Seat #3 = C (because 3000)
Seat #4 = A again (because 2500)

2019-04-28 19:03:02 UTC  

which means that if a party gets a lot of votes but its candidates' don't they will still be chosen

2019-04-28 19:03:08 UTC  

it favors larger parties

2019-04-28 19:04:20 UTC  

If an area gives SEVEN seats, the results would look like this:
Seat #1 = A (because 5000)
Seat #2 = B (because 4000)
Seat #3 = C (because 3000)
Seat #4 = A again (because 2500)
Seat #5 = D (because 2000)
Seat #6 = B (because 2000)
Seat #7 = A again (because 1666)

2019-04-28 19:06:07 UTC  

is that good or bad?

2019-04-28 19:06:12 UTC  

i don't really know

2019-04-28 19:06:28 UTC  

otoh it keeps fringe parties out but perpetuates status quo

2019-04-28 19:06:54 UTC  

I think it tries to block stupid parties from getting a seat, which is not a bad idea.

2019-04-28 19:07:08 UTC  

i think we could experiment with alternative vote. If my #1 candidate doesn't get in my vote goes to #2

2019-04-28 19:07:14 UTC  

Would you really want a bunch of local morons to gain a seat in the nation's parliament?

2019-04-28 19:07:21 UTC  

not really

2019-04-28 19:07:37 UTC  

but it keeps large parties in because they are large

2019-04-28 19:08:08 UTC  

i think there should be an individual threshold and by passing that you would get in automatically

2019-04-28 19:08:18 UTC  

that would be more representative

2019-04-28 19:11:37 UTC  

Nah, it's about representing an area. It favors "focused" voting.

2019-04-28 19:11:58 UTC  

Some parties in Spain get quite some votes nationwide but it's so spread out they end up with no seats.

2019-04-28 19:12:19 UTC  

Meanwhile, "region-locked" parties get a bunch of seats with less votes because they actually represent their area.

2019-04-28 19:13:10 UTC  

if you're semi-popular everywhere shouldn't you get seats?

2019-04-28 19:13:36 UTC  

Nah, that's not how politics work. You gotta represent YOUR AREA and look for the best for YOUR AREA.

2019-04-28 19:14:03 UTC  

Every citizen should have a MP and a senator.

2019-04-28 19:14:04 UTC  

that's how most people vote

2019-04-28 19:14:16 UTC  

with their own area in mind

2019-04-28 19:14:37 UTC  

i don't. i try to look 20 years into the future and see who can do the least damage