oh yeah, Cerno is a journalist I forgot about that

seeing how he does no reporting/journalistic work at all

I guess that's one way to look at it. The other way is he used his name and followers to promote maga and Trump heavily during the election campaign.

Now people are mad his support wasn't blind allegiance.

Man...he made an ASSLOAD of money doing that. An unbelievable amount of money. He was doing that for himself. If Hillary had the same chemistry amongst social media during the election, and it would have earned him more money...that's where he would've gone.

I think it'd be more accurate to say his support is self-serving and has zero basis in helping anyone else

He's a salesman.

A used car salesman, and very good at it.

wasn't he selling some weird mindset book less than 5 years ago

So he had no positive effect on Trump getting elected?

Looks like Catalonians are pissed again

I could tell you the ridiculously dumb things he says when you get him drunk, but what good will it do? He's a salesman.

Who cares if he made money?

@Goldendawn is it good from a nationalist standpoint to have catalonia secede?

they were pretty anti franco iirc

@Sam Southern - TN most Catalan nationalists are left/liberal leaning. Basically “Spaniards out! third worlders in!”

It's really impossible to say if he had a positive effect on getting Trump elected. Were there exit polls conducted on people who voted for Trump, where they were asked who influenced them to do so? It's presumptuous to assume Cerno had any real effect, with no scientific data on it other than his boasting that he had some sort of immeasurable effect.

Catalonia is like the California of Spain, right?

as long as we build the wall on the cali border, go for it and secede calidudes

Basically. There’s a right wing populist party surging in Spain rn as a reaction though

catalonians sound like typical globohomo shit. weird that they're nationalists about it tho

@Phillip Wiglesworth - FLthats a ridiculous argument. You want exit polls for social media personalities to prove their effect?

Fact of the matter is, Hillary was extremely unlikable. I decided the moment I knew who the nominees would be who I would vote for. I could be just as presumptuous and say most people did, too.

I'm cool with any and all forms of nationalism.

Catalan shitlibs included

@Josh M. -OH How is it ridiculous? You made an assertion that he helped get Trump elected. What data do you base that on? As it is, all you're going on is the statements by Cerno himself claiming he made it happen.

as long as main body spain prevents immigration from shitlib catalonia, sounds like a best case scenario

remove shitlib + rising rw populist movement in response in main body spain

@Josh M. -OH At DeploraBall private brunch party, he got drunk and tried to tell us he was also on Trump's transition team. That's when I realized he was full of complete shit. You probably should, too. Cerno did nothing but sell his name to make money for himself.

I'm saying it doesn't matter about cernovich personally. Its irrelevant. Cernovich was part of a group of people promoting trump and anti Hillary sentiment during the campaign. If you want to say cernovich overstates the effect he had, fine. I agree. Saying he had no effect I disagree with.

I won't name drop any further than that, but some very wealthy, influential people were duped by that salesman's pitch and invested heavily into it. He took them for a ride, too.

We can say the same about Alex Jones.

Okay, I'll agree that he used his social media presence to connect some voters to the movement. But it's purely speculative to really guess how many he reached who were new Trump voters, and how many were actually already committed and just hopped on the merry-go-round with him.

Personally, I think it was just Trump himself going to see "The People" in person, anywhere and everywhere, that got people committed to actually go vote. _THAT_ is a powerful thing.

Lol all I know was he was there when the meme war really started and pushed the Hillary has seizures and Parkinson's thing pretty hard.

It's why candidates know the most important thing they can do to get people to vote for them, is to personally show their face at people's doorsteps.

He tried to buy that video from Zdenek Gazda, btw. He couldn't afford it (Hillary's sack of meat tossed into the van video)

Obviously Trump himself is the one that won himself the election. The guy never sleeps.

I think Trump will do something in 2019, he will probably deliver on his promise to build the wall, or start on it, and use that as leverage for the 2020 elections

IMO, just some speculation, but the man is smart.

He fucking better deliver if he wants another term.