he is a great speaker. nothing freaks us out though. it isn't great but I don't know if I care that he declared bankruptcy over a lawsuit.

actually, I think it is ideal that someone gives their all and moves on. He isn't a target now and now Patrick is in charge which was always the best option. For this movement to be what Nathan envisioned, we need someone with greater poise than JT or MacDonald in charge.

(just freestyling here, not saying you are in disagreement)

@Nerv - VA I wrote a (very) short story recently about someone in the boondocks corresponding with someone in Virginia who was implied to be well-connected to the goings-on of government and society. Maybe you are that person I wrote about without knowing it.

CIA??

I don’t know I don’t like the idea of people being forced out of the movement through lawfare.

@Logan Can you see me glowing?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ko2sIllVVek

no it isn't good but given the circumstances I think it is ok. If even Patrick was to have bebe or be litigated to oblivion I would support him stepping aside for 12 months or more if it took away from his and our distraction.

really, people are expendable in this and those who get burnt like tinder should be proud they did their bit. maybe that is easy for me to say because we did ours and backed away from the scene somewhat and without drama

I just think of those in central europe in the 40s who suffered worse fates and remember how lucky Nate is and how double lucky the rest of us are to have survived Cville and tempting dox in other ways

Yea I’m sure it’s been discussed and well thought out by smarter people than me. It just bums me out for some reason.

it is nothing at all. he could be on twitter right now and we wouldn't know the difference. they can't hurt us right now. and that isn't to whitepill OD. It can get worse tomorrow and probably will but White people are here to stay. The more they push the more we are tempered.

@Nerv - VA yea. I've been bummed out before. Can't remember by what though at this moment. The only real regret I had is supporting Eli being named CO.

we all acclaimed him but at the time I was thinking Patrick or someone else should have been inserted

a learning moment for me personally to know the difference between solidarity and foolishness

Yea you’re not the only one. I almost left TBHz

you knew Eli was bad news at the time?

It wasn't 100 percent clear for me. I didn't know he had been such a turd on TDS

No I didn’t know all the other stuff, I just didn’t think he was a good leader.

I should have known he was stolen valor though. That was so obvious. No one really talks like that. @Tyler0317 has his way of talking about it but it isn't like Eli at all

Yea, I didn’t know any of that. He just looked like a turd and I knew some behind the scenes stuff unrelated to the stolen valor.

Didn't he claim to be deployed to Iraq, but he only ever went to Kuwait?

yea

I don't know if he ever went there though

doesn't matter really

at Cville he was loud and obnoxious. "Get the f*cking men to the front!"
It was total LARP

Patrick and many others saw him in his full inglory

There was other stuff besides that. Also he was obsessed with appealing to the left which I think he got from Spencer.

People get sent to Kuwait a lot, but it's just a base not a warzone.

He went on that speaking tour and the whole thing was just really bad IMO.

Also it went from having Damigo into we were just Spencer’s bodyguards.

Patrick sorted that whole thing out though very quick.

yea he got put in by Spencer pretty much. Maybe some day it will be discussed but it seems to me that he was inserted into the director role by Spencer with the blessing of Nate who was friends with Spencer. Spencer is another one we could have seen coming. Just not a very honest guy.

yea. IIRC Patrick didn't want to start a kerfluffle but when he and the board resisted Spencer/Eli's takeover, they showed their true stuff and made it impossible for Patrick and the board not to stand up for the membership.

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I don’t really have a problem with him I just think it’s better he have his own thing, Spencer that is. He was honestly a big influence on me, and was pretty nice to me when I met him. I’ll just leave it at that.

It would be nice to have the events recounted again. They've been recounted before (at least twice in great detail) but people need to know and be reminded. IE is a very important group and is independent from the whims of things many of us like(d) (TRS) and the things many of us don't like (Cantwell, Spencer, TWP).

It turned out very well with Patrick in charge

oh yes. I no longer have any leadership ambitions (at least until there are more paid gigs) while my family is growing so I can say without fear of being labelled a sycophant that Patrick can do the job better than I could.

he is more level-headed and harder-working than anyone I know.