Message from @Norman

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2020-12-25 00:09:37 UTC  

That's the point

2020-12-25 00:09:45 UTC  

You can't

2020-12-25 00:10:02 UTC  

additionally, if the society's culture you lived in changed so that people thought it was okay to say, kill Ukrainians, you again cant condemn it, except saying "it is currently not acceptable in our society to do such a thing!"

2020-12-25 00:10:03 UTC  

And if you say you can, it's incumbent upon you to prove that

2020-12-25 00:10:21 UTC  

okay then

2020-12-25 00:10:53 UTC  

so if a political party in america said we should indoctrinate the youth into hating tibetans and wanting to genocide them, what basis would you have to oppose that action?

2020-12-25 00:11:05 UTC  

You're saying "if society changed its moral stance, then morals would be different"

Yes. You're starting to become a subjectivist

2020-12-25 00:11:12 UTC  

no

2020-12-25 00:11:17 UTC  

I would because I am morally opposed to genocide

2020-12-25 00:11:31 UTC  

but if you were raised in a society where it was okay

2020-12-25 00:11:36 UTC  

you would not be morally opposed to it?

2020-12-25 00:12:23 UTC  

It's impossible to answer that, but sure. If I was taught and raised that that was OK and never exposed to a different Form of moral reasoning, it's likely that I would be ok with genocide

2020-12-25 00:13:03 UTC  

That makes sense to me

2020-12-25 00:13:06 UTC  

and that is equal in your view

2020-12-25 00:13:10 UTC  

to thinking genocide is bad?

2020-12-25 00:13:20 UTC  

What do you mean by equal?

2020-12-25 00:13:29 UTC  

as in, there is no distinction

2020-12-25 00:13:43 UTC  

we have no basis to condemn genocide, outside our own society's norms

2020-12-25 00:14:04 UTC  

Correct. Do you have one? I'd like to hear it. That could be massively powerful

2020-12-25 00:14:12 UTC  

okay then

2020-12-25 00:14:22 UTC  

so if i say I really fucking hate chinese

2020-12-25 00:14:31 UTC  

and i want to exterminate each and every last one of them

2020-12-25 00:14:34 UTC  

but

2020-12-25 00:14:36 UTC  

before i do it

2020-12-25 00:14:46 UTC  

i change the society's norms into accepting such an action,

2020-12-25 00:14:51 UTC  

you would not oppose me?

2020-12-25 00:15:21 UTC  

Before we go off into another hypo with the exact same answer, let's focus on the question we already established it leads us to

2020-12-25 00:15:21 UTC  

GG @WMLC, you just advanced to level 4!

2020-12-25 00:15:27 UTC  

no

2020-12-25 00:15:31 UTC  

answer the question

2020-12-25 00:15:32 UTC  

yes/no

2020-12-25 00:15:42 UTC  

It's impossible to answer that, but sure. If I was taught and raised that that was OK and never exposed to a different Form of moral reasoning, it's likely that I would be ok with genocide

2020-12-25 00:15:47 UTC  

That makes sense to me

2020-12-25 00:15:52 UTC  

no no

2020-12-25 00:15:57 UTC  

thats not the answer

2020-12-25 00:15:58 UTC  

i said

2020-12-25 00:16:04 UTC  

i would change the society

2020-12-25 00:16:10 UTC  

you are already born in this example

2020-12-25 00:16:26 UTC  

It's impossible to answer that, but sure. If I was brainwashed/hyponotized that that was OK and never exposed to a different Form of moral reasoning, it's likely that I would be ok with genocide

2020-12-25 00:16:40 UTC  

no

2020-12-25 00:16:43 UTC  

on this example