https://reason.com/volokh/2020/11/02/supreme-court-rejects-qualified-immunity-defense-for-the-first-time-in-years/

😃 👍 that's a great start

Agree, hopefully some people follow suit

wow look at that

I'd normally question how you can subject someone to such conditions but the Stanford Experiment (I believe that's what it was) answers the question.

@DeathRhodes666 yeah the prison experiment was brutal.

The Stanford prison experiment is infamous. A movie was made about that.

yeah i saw it. it was pretty good

and i heard is pretty faithful to what really happened

Check out Milgram's torture experiment as well, if that isnt known. @TheParamedicGamer @True

The two compliment each other somewhat.

oh really now. i shall

Uncomfortable insight into human nature.

sounds about right

But hey, if youre a paramedic, I am preaching to the choir. 😄

the name is only slightly misleading

im working on it

but i am still an EMT

so yeah

still

good for you. Hit me up if I can help.

Hippocratic oath §2, take care of the family

thanks!!

Can we get the 9ths ruling on concealed carry being reasonable suspicion of a crime to SCOTUS? Like I am just curious if anyone wants to defend that ruling 😂

@DeathRhodes666 I have heard that the Stanford experiment was not sound science. Basically it was one guy engaging in most the abuse. And he said later he just did it because he thought the experiment was going well and felt sympathetic towards the professor.

Yeah there were so many flaws in what went on and how it was guided. Still a pretty hard lesson on what people do when given almost unlimited power over others

`felt sympathetic towards the professor` rofl

https://youtu.be/CElJEVMrnto

Yeah I've looked into it. Far better example here: https://youtu.be/JM2o9e-pwoE

My father in law (Polish) survived Auschwitz. Brainwashing and psychological transformation is totally possible but not likely to happen within a few weeks without a major cataclysmic event imho ☺

* grandfather-in-law

Yeah, it takes four years to brainwash people on average.


I mean four years ago all my liberal friends believed everyone’s vote should count equally. Flash forward to two weeks ago and I see people saying they would rather end Trump than COVID.

@Lady Georgia You dont need to brainwash people to bring out the tyrant. Its build into the human psyche and will come out if nurtured. It looks like the "debunker" has misunderstood the experiment and is attempting to falsify an experiment which did not take place. Zimbardo is showing what *can* be done. Not what develops by random. Massive difference.

I think the experiment has largely been used to 'prove' what is likely to happen in the absence of external factors, and that seems to be the conclusion encouraged by the researchers 🙂

If so, that is a misunderstanding of data provided.

I agree a tyrant is within each of us. I just disagree that the experiment does much to prove that.

Its not what Zimbardo is showing. Like Milgram, he demonstrates what can be done.

We repeated it when I was a resident, and i checked out here as well. Nurses were inclined to administer harmful doses of medication if an authoritarian doctor ordered it.

If key participants stated they were in fact 'acting' the whole time, in such a small sample I would suggest that puts the experiment largely out of the pool of useful research

Unless you can confirm it again and again.

And test it by *coherency*