Message from @Gypsy
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I'd normally question how you can subject someone to such conditions but the Stanford Experiment (I believe that's what it was) answers the question.
@DeathRhodes666 yeah the prison experiment was brutal.
The Stanford prison experiment is infamous. A movie was made about that.
yeah i saw it. it was pretty good
and i heard is pretty faithful to what really happened
Check out Milgram's torture experiment as well, if that isnt known. @TheParamedicGamer @True
The two compliment each other somewhat.
oh really now. i shall
Uncomfortable insight into human nature.
sounds about right
But hey, if youre a paramedic, I am preaching to the choir. 😄
the name is only slightly misleading
im working on it
but i am still an EMT
so yeah
still
good for you. Hit me up if I can help.
Hippocratic oath §2, take care of the family
thanks!!
Can we get the 9ths ruling on concealed carry being reasonable suspicion of a crime to SCOTUS? Like I am just curious if anyone wants to defend that ruling 😂
@DeathRhodes666 I have heard that the Stanford experiment was not sound science. Basically it was one guy engaging in most the abuse. And he said later he just did it because he thought the experiment was going well and felt sympathetic towards the professor.
Yeah there were so many flaws in what went on and how it was guided. Still a pretty hard lesson on what people do when given almost unlimited power over others
`felt sympathetic towards the professor` rofl
Yeah I've looked into it. Far better example here: https://youtu.be/JM2o9e-pwoE
My father in law (Polish) survived Auschwitz. Brainwashing and psychological transformation is totally possible but not likely to happen within a few weeks without a major cataclysmic event imho ☺
* grandfather-in-law
Yeah, it takes four years to brainwash people on average.
I mean four years ago all my liberal friends believed everyone’s vote should count equally. Flash forward to two weeks ago and I see people saying they would rather end Trump than COVID.
@Lady Georgia You dont need to brainwash people to bring out the tyrant. Its build into the human psyche and will come out if nurtured. It looks like the "debunker" has misunderstood the experiment and is attempting to falsify an experiment which did not take place. Zimbardo is showing what *can* be done. Not what develops by random. Massive difference.
I think the experiment has largely been used to 'prove' what is likely to happen in the absence of external factors, and that seems to be the conclusion encouraged by the researchers 🙂
If so, that is a misunderstanding of data provided.
I agree a tyrant is within each of us. I just disagree that the experiment does much to prove that.
Its not what Zimbardo is showing. Like Milgram, he demonstrates what can be done.
We repeated it when I was a resident, and i checked out here as well. Nurses were inclined to administer harmful doses of medication if an authoritarian doctor ordered it.
If key participants stated they were in fact 'acting' the whole time, in such a small sample I would suggest that puts the experiment largely out of the pool of useful research
Unless you can confirm it again and again.
And test it by *coherency*
Oh for sure, but that's not what the Stanford experiment was about, no? The idea was without authoritarian leaders, individuals are still likelu to devolve into cruelty.
Id call that misinterpreting the data.
and misunderstanding how humans act in packs.
Humans in populus always have leaders.