Message from @Elzam

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2020-11-13 22:12:22 UTC  

The larger point is that when you open holes in your election security large enough to drive a truck through you know a truck is coming. Far from undermining democracy, examining and discussing these issues builds our understanding of what a secure election looks like. I spent time in emerging democracies, and this work is critical.

2020-11-13 23:32:21 UTC  

Wisconsin Elections Commission admits to breaking Wisconsin Election Law.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771201221145919499/776952625580081172/Emu93ATVcAE5oSU.png

2020-11-13 23:32:53 UTC  

@RobertGrulerEsq Is this a correct interpretation of the law? Have you seen this?

2020-11-13 23:45:33 UTC  

Wait. It says "may not be counted". Does it need to say "shall not be counted"?

2020-11-13 23:48:50 UTC  

May is discretionary, shall is mandatory

2020-11-13 23:49:01 UTC  

Question would be if the law provides any guidance on the discretionary part

2020-11-13 23:52:15 UTC  

I see. This is the law in case your interested in it. I'm looking over for guidance. https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/6/IV/87

2020-11-14 00:26:11 UTC  

> @meglide
>
> ... Not that we have the hard proof of this...
@stevesirag yeah that's the deal isn't it

2020-11-14 00:26:27 UTC  

Yet

2020-11-14 00:26:42 UTC  

We do have evidence

2020-11-14 00:28:00 UTC  

> We do have evidence
@stevesirag then bring it before and see if it is sufficient to get a favorable court ruling on it ... my guess is that it is not

2020-11-14 00:28:18 UTC  

before a court that is

2020-11-14 00:44:50 UTC  

Don't need to. Just need enough to convince the state legislature.

2020-11-14 00:45:30 UTC  

You can count on them to do what's popular in their state

2020-11-14 00:50:42 UTC  

> You can count on them to do what's popular in their state
@DrSammyD which will translate into letting the popular vote of their state stand absent of substantial election fraud

2020-11-14 01:07:56 UTC  

Maybe, maybe not.

2020-11-14 01:09:22 UTC  

Depends on what's shown in court. If it's just shy of rising to the level of a court injunction, it might just be that the state legislatures find it convincing enough to appoint different delegates

2020-11-14 01:15:05 UTC  

I don't see too many of these guys getting thrown out for distrusting the counts in the Cities. Hell, it'd probably secure their future victory.

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2020-11-14 01:43:43 UTC  

interesting ... in GA about 46k voted for Pres that did NOT vote in the Senate race and Biden got about 100k more votes than the Dem candidate for Senate .... margin of "victory" for Biden over Trump about 14k

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771201221145919499/776985686221127700/ga_2020_results.PNG

2020-11-14 01:44:41 UTC  

That could just be dems voting straight ticket and GOP not

2020-11-14 01:45:49 UTC  

> That could just be dems voting straight ticket and GOP not
@Elzam nope that total count includes 3rd party candidates on the ballot

2020-11-14 01:46:54 UTC  

total votes for Pres (all candidates) minus total votes for Sen (all candidates) = 46k

2020-11-14 01:47:19 UTC  

OK so 46k democrats voted for Biden and no one else

2020-11-14 01:48:01 UTC  

And some number of republicans voted for Biden + GOP seats

2020-11-14 01:48:44 UTC  

keep looking at the numbers ... not exactly what you just said

2020-11-14 01:49:10 UTC  

almost every vote for Rep Sen was also vote for Trump

2020-11-14 01:49:35 UTC  

It still doesn't account for any number of ballots with just Biden

2020-11-14 01:50:05 UTC  

you're catching on

2020-11-14 01:50:24 UTC  

difference between Trump and Biden is only 14k

2020-11-14 01:50:24 UTC  

Ballots with just a presidential candidate happen in the order of 100k every year

2020-11-14 01:50:27 UTC  

In every state

2020-11-14 01:50:33 UTC  

It's not suspicious

2020-11-14 01:51:03 UTC  

Unless you want to go back and say they're suspicious every time it's done, which, OK go for it

2020-11-14 01:51:10 UTC  

> It's not suspicious
@Elzam not saying it is just saying it is interesting

2020-11-14 01:51:26 UTC  

How can it be interesting if it happens every election?

2020-11-14 01:51:41 UTC  

I'm trying to discern what the Sen runoff will be like

2020-11-14 01:51:54 UTC  

I see

2020-11-14 01:52:22 UTC  

also if the Rep gets just 50 percent or over then no runoff

2020-11-14 01:52:37 UTC  

this Rep stands at 49.71 percent