@DeathRhodes666 I mean, it could show motive but that would certainly extend to clearly uninvolved parties, such as myself, and 'The Left' isn't a pragmatically tenable suspect. Also, every offense perpetrated against entities which I have criticized should have landed me in jail by now. Lol

There is plenty of evidence just Google it

Lots of right wingers say f trump

I'm a libertarian, I say it every day

Antifa types aren't going to be taking pictures with confederate flags or say "liberty or death"

(they are pretty explcitly "anti liberal" in the freedom sense)

This line of argument seems like bad faith tbqh

Saying "f trump" is not a sign of jack shit, every extremist (for good or bad) becomes a purist of some kind and denounces their milktoast leaders as not pure enough; does that mean they are of the _opposing_ side?

Some of the suspects are former military, and have expressed support for qanon or other stuff publicly

Can you see a "antifa types" doing that?

This line of argument just doesn't make any sense

:jackie chan face:

The only part of your argument I agree with is that it doesn't necessarily reflect on any of the larger groups which they may be members of (republicans, right wingers or trump supporters)

But you are so afraid of the crazy-veto and guilt-by-association that it is motivating you to think wrongly

You no longer have to be afraid of that

If someone brings up the crazy veto, just blame the riots on BLM supporters

If you're appearing in a training glorification video with your ISIS beard and the only thing distinguishing it from an Al Qaeda propaganda piece is your Oakleys, you're not antifa.

@Zuluzeit However, that is not an uncommon scenario for ex-antifa.

undergoing divergent radicalization

Just like McVeigh started out as a combat veteran, later libertarian, went to Elohim City and came out as....something completely different.

Would we then have called him 'antifa', as used in the current vernacular? Because as far far as I can tell, 'antifa' is interchangeable with 'communist' and encompasses whatever properties the right wing outrage du jour requires of it.

Hi Folks
i am not from US but this sh1t with the election got me really interested, curious to know since there are two truths told in the media, how solid is this case?
because if true this will have far greater reach and ramifications that just USA
thanks forlks

Depends on who you ask. For some, no proof is necessary. For others, no proof is possible. That's why we have to leave it to the courts.

in the media it says courts dismiss the cases, problem is i have no idea which media to trust 😄

i just googled sidney powell and i got this

Voter fraud can be found in the Maricopa County, AZ data as seen by the Overvote (Spoilage) number and the Undervote (no selection) trends for presidential, when compared to the US Senator position as next item on Ballot. 10 times more Overvote for Presidential (5002) vs. Senatorial (458) Overvote events.

are all of you folks here lawyers or ?

Last Wednesday’s lawsuits need to be re-introduced back in court, as the defense lied to the court saying the Overvote only represented 202 voters.

if all of this proves to be true, and the fact that many other world countries were using these systems , this will be a real sh1t show unless shoved under the rug

cant say i am not curious how all of this will play out

The Undervote is over 8000 uncounted votes at the Presidential part of the ballot. Highly unlikely.

sorry i am not from US so i really dont know how voting or politics works there xD, i am not big into politics , but i am curious about the truth here

because if true this will be

https://tenor.com/view/yuge-huge-donald-trump-gif-7357158

Data is all there! Question is: did the system cause the error, or were the ballots spoiled on that item, where Republicans given a spoiled ballot, while a Democratic given a non-spoiled ballot. It’s not like the voter is tired from filling in so many bobbles as this is the first ballot entry on the form. The witness testimony indicated that they marked the ballot correctly.

You can find thousands of grand fraud narratives. No matter how many of them have proven to be without merit, they will still double down on the next one and be quite genuinely confused and upset that people stopped listening.

i listened to this,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znLTNqvhhok

> Would we then have called him 'antifa', as used in the current vernacular? Because as far far as I can tell, 'antifa' is interchangeable with 'communist' and encompasses whatever properties the right wing outrage du jour requires of it.
@Zuluzeit The guy I saw video of looked more Antifa, maybe there's a lot of mixed motivations out there, and the more extreme you get, the more alike you act whatever your motivations. In my opinion, the left shouldn't be blamed for Antifa and the right shouldn't be blamed for right-wing extremists *unless* they refuse to call them out/investigate/prosecute them. IE: the Michigan boneheads, whoever they are, were interdicted and are being prosecuted by the FBI before they did anything dangerous. What alarms me about Antifa is governors, mayors and prosecutors refusing to acknowledge their organizations, their criminal actions, etc and letting them off without charges even when police arrest them for violence. That's a collaborative relationship we can't allow to continue. The left *has* to oppose Antifa or they are Antifa.

@Zuluzeit Antifa is a german cross-party line combat organisation erected in the 30ies to kill nazis, but which ended up getting Hitler elected. This tradition was re-established by middle class youth in europe in the early 90ies, and recently exported to the US from sweden. It is a very specific ideology which recruits from the ranks of all sorts of communists, anarchists and socialist, but the antifa-ideology itself revolves more around violence than political understanding of where, what and when.