Message from @Zuluzeit
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You can find thousands of grand fraud narratives. No matter how many of them have proven to be without merit, they will still double down on the next one and be quite genuinely confused and upset that people stopped listening.
i listened to this,
> Would we then have called him 'antifa', as used in the current vernacular? Because as far far as I can tell, 'antifa' is interchangeable with 'communist' and encompasses whatever properties the right wing outrage du jour requires of it.
@Zuluzeit The guy I saw video of looked more Antifa, maybe there's a lot of mixed motivations out there, and the more extreme you get, the more alike you act whatever your motivations. In my opinion, the left shouldn't be blamed for Antifa and the right shouldn't be blamed for right-wing extremists *unless* they refuse to call them out/investigate/prosecute them. IE: the Michigan boneheads, whoever they are, were interdicted and are being prosecuted by the FBI before they did anything dangerous. What alarms me about Antifa is governors, mayors and prosecutors refusing to acknowledge their organizations, their criminal actions, etc and letting them off without charges even when police arrest them for violence. That's a collaborative relationship we can't allow to continue. The left *has* to oppose Antifa or they are Antifa.
@Zuluzeit Antifa is a german cross-party line combat organisation erected in the 30ies to kill nazis, but which ended up getting Hitler elected. This tradition was re-established by middle class youth in europe in the early 90ies, and recently exported to the US from sweden. It is a very specific ideology which recruits from the ranks of all sorts of communists, anarchists and socialist, but the antifa-ideology itself revolves more around violence than political understanding of where, what and when.
In the 90ies, the antifa ideology also drew in members of the hip.hop culture after specific recruitment campaigns.
I humbly suggest that that explanation is not what is being used to describe the American manifestation of it.
That could be. I am not responsible for what people who claim to know the Lx-scene, yet have no experience studying it, will claim.
However, when studying their documentation, LE reports and video footage, the export product - the american antifants - looks rather similar to what has been common practice in Europe since the 90ies.
Ideology and methodology seems extremely similar.
I think it's more important what both those who associate and take issue with antifa would claim.
Maybe so. I like studying phenomena in their essence, not how they are understood by contemporaries.
but that will be two different issues, I suppose.
The association between antifa and the rest of the Lx-scene is, of course, a study in itself.
as is the relationship with antifa and the press
Origin does not necessarily remain as a static essence. Actually, it seems like it almost always doesn't.
Oh, I agree. The origin, the german Red Front Union, were battle-hardened WW1 veterans.
And traditional marxists.
they would probably loathe the modern version and deem them decadent bourgeois.
Mirrored by the assumption that any member of the SS would be expected to, in deep indignation, open fire on any neonazi wearing their insignias.
As they should, as it is appropriated for image more than the token elements of ideology that are represented.
The Precinct officials had told the voter press the GREEN button on the scanner, accepting the spoiled ballot to disregard the voter intention for the presidential candidate..., or the Precinct official pressed the GREEN button themselves. All are in violation of election policy.
What should have happened is for those problematic ballots to be placed in to Drawer #3 for manual processing and inspection by a board of watchers (Democratic, Republican and Libertarian) to determine the intent of the voter, where the machine couldn’t.
'People are saying', yes. We are accustomed to that mode of argument.
@stevesirag I agree on the whole but am not sure about the part with not opposing something makes you that thing. If that were the case, I know a person who has some splaining to do. Stand back, stand by on that one.
I am an observer. I am not opposing anything at all, so that would make me.....
one with everything?
Hahahaha
@Doc you have achieved transcendence
You are everything and nothing. Now take your place amongst the divine hahaha
"He who starts seeking shall continue. And when he continues, he shall find. When he finds, he will be in awe, and then -master of everything". Logion 2, Gospel According to Thomas.
A buddhist walks up to a hot dog stand in new york and says: "make me one with everything." The hot dog man does. The Buddhist pays him, but receives no change.
"Where is my change?" said the Buddhist.
"Dont you know?" answered the hot dog man.
"Change comes from within."
> @stevesirag I agree on the whole but am not sure about the part with not opposing something makes you that thing. If that were the case, I know a person who has some splaining to do. Stand back, stand by on that one.
@Zuluzeit
I'm no proposing a general rule that you are what you don't oppose. In the case of Antifa, however, the summer-long campaign of nightly political violence carefully ignored by dems in media, Congress, governors and mayors office is telling. Local police so fed up they stopped obeying orders to go and help. Astonishing complicity in violence by omission of their duty. As for your Trump remark, he has vocally opposed white supremacy over 80 times on record, it's an idiotic claim media keep trotting out.
I know of no place or field where the whites are supreme. Defending that position has become harder the last 200 years.
Should be easy to denounce.
in fact, you could argue that "white inferiorist" would make more sense.
If the media spends the next four years demanding Biden denounce pedophilia I'll say they're treating both sides equally
"we are a weak and feeble, soon to be extinct, useless creed."
technically, he would be a hebephile. He is sniffing Tanner stage 3 from what I can tell.
I don't think he's a pedophile. The point is that Trump is also not a white supremacist. It's just the attack vector dems chose early on to keep race forefront in politics.