Okay so what does that have to do with you not asking for audits and recounts in 2016

This conversation is not coherent

What does that have to do with the mail being slow despite the citizen doing everything correctly

👍 Yea this is what I meant and James conceded this point

The point about the conversation being non coherent?

You do know that 73.81% of the voters in Maricopa County, Arizona went to Early Voting for a 27 day period of time to vote. Only 6.47% went to their local precincts in Election Day to vote... This very trend was repeated across many states.

You aren't responding to James' questions

True

No that was about you and Dan heh

Ah

The conceded point was about partisans not policing themselves

Audits should be strong and exacting in all processes, regardless. Check the checkers, then check them too. Never let the easy excuses to hid the facts.

You are avoiding the question

1. Where were all the conservatives demanding recounts and audits in 2016 when the margins were even closer. It’s like they all decided to by hyper vigilant all of a sudden about voting, seems odd. This supposes you care about the voting system in its totality

2. How are you justifying blaming the citizen when the mail is slow

Personally I don't think the mail thing matters, as long as the states go by postmarks

You said stop blaming the citizens yet they are being penalized for something that isn’t their fault and they have no control over

@realz yeah but some states are trying to make it so the reception date matters

I’m not blaming the citizens from slowing down the mail. Just stop the useless junk mail ... kind of what you do with the junk email and spam.

@james j that is a "their problem" kind of thing then

No one is blaming the citizens for slowing the mail. You said the citizens should not be blamed. However if they do everything right the post office can still invalidate their vote by just being slow @Dan_Sundin

@realz a states issue?

My comments made for Citizens/ Voters being the cause for the Overvote and Undervote... which was the subject for my post to begin with.

Yeah the complaints should be directed at them; the post office was never reliable to the day

If you leave it to the time of reception, then you are making something extremely volatile

There is a limit but it’s shouldn’t be the day of the election. There should be a window of 2-3 days especially during a pandemic when you know most people will be voting by mail

@Dan_Sundin that can also extend to all voters not being blamed for the government messing up

I think that no matter what it should be based on postmark

It is

Votes mailed after a certain day don’t get counted

No, the better play is to a hobble an already straining service which is guaranteed to be overwhelmed by the spike and then cry foul.

The post office can handle ballots over a months time with no issue

They deal with 10 billion pieces of mail during the holidays

The post office was never the main method of collecting the vote! But in the year of Covid it became a wiping post.

They can deal with ballots with ease

Also if that is something conservatives believed they would not support defunding and cutting the overtime of workers at the post office during a election year where many people would vote by mail

The post office was there to process the absentee balloting, which is and always has been a subset of those who were not going to be available to go to their precincts to vote on Election Day.

The post office can handle regular ballots just fine.

That precede was expanded to weeks out with Early Voting.

7 states have been exclusively voting by mail for decades

This idea that the post office can’t handle it would only be true if you intentionally try to weaken it as trump tried to do

And There are deadlines of getting your vote in to the Election Board, otherwise it is considered to be a “Late Ballot” thus uncounted.

Right that is my point , the citizen can do everything right but then they are penalized for the post office being slow