> I can talk to Faith about branching off a separate politics chat, but for now just presume all political things are discussed in here.
@Maw

Just kidding

I'm all in for ruining someone's life that's why I'm still kicking after all ^^

@james j the brain develops identity based on data. Not genes.

Tobacco no, morphine no, unless they were in hospital an very much needed it. I know nothing about morphine though so I don’t know

@Beth I think a safe age to start hormone therapy would be 16 with the freezing of sperm or eggs . But I’m no doctor

So please, instead of arguing semantics with me, wait until we can get it sorted out. @𝕴𝖓𝖞𝖇𝖎𝖘𝕴𝖓𝖘𝖚𝖑𝖆𝖙𝖊

I’m sorry that’s insane

I’m talking about the physical structure of the brain @Doc pre birth

@Beth how so ?

Freezing eggs isn’t simple you know

@james j that is changed by the Y chromosome in the phoetus.

You can impair this, though.

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So the brain in structure is more like a brain that was not under influence of the Y chromosome.

What?

with plastics or organophosphates for instace.

Yes , I don’t think you answered my question about the range of possible outcomes between female and male development in the womb and all the possible configurations that can exist on that continuum @Doc

drugs as in secondary effects like addiction. I woudn't want my future ruined because my weiner got wedged and seperated (let's not get into that example bit fey on that)

I think 16 would be legal age for drinking or owning guns without restrictions if you can decide to neuter yourself at that age

@Beth it is possible though

@james j It is a bimodal curve if the Y chromosome is left to do its stuff.

But it can be impeded

Indeed.

and frequently is these days.

Due to pollusion.

Not peer reviewed, but it at least points the direction:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis#:~:text=XY%20gonadal%20dysgenesis%2C%20also%20known%20as%20Swyer%20syndrome%2C,identify%20as%20female%2C%20and%20are%20raised%20as%20girls.

So then you can end up with male genitalia with an xy chromosome so not traditional intersex, however then you can develop a atypical male brain that resembles a more typical female brain @Doc

Well I don’t know it be honest but I’d say atleast 20 to start freezing eggs or sperm, then a few years of therapy an go from there. It’s better to go slow than go fast and regret it forever. Trans suicide rates are super high. It’s very concerning. Listen to that joe Rogan podcast I linked earlier

@james j yes

Hence a real trans person

no

Define trans

trans person is a matter of identity. Identity is data.

Not genes.

You can not end up with both pairs of functioning genitalia, I'm 99% certain.

99.9%

Actually.

If your brain is a female brain then your identity/personality would be that of a girl

that exists too though, also all of this is 99,9% null ^^

@Maw correct. Because then you could litteraly reporduce as one individual. And that has happened only once in human history.